Mrs. Hill.

I saw a man fall to the floor.

Mr. Specter.

And when, in point of time, did you see him fall?

Mrs. HILL After the President was shot, but I wouldn't---it wasn't with the first shot. To me he wasn't hit when the first shot hit.

Mr. Specter.

And what is the basis for your saying that, Mrs. Hill?
Mrs. HILL. Well, I just think that he was hit after Kennedy was hit because, well, Just the way that it looked, I would say that he was hit later.

Mr. Specter.

Now, do you associate the time that Governor Connally appeared to have been hit with any specific shot that you heard?

Mrs. Hill.

The second.
Mr. SPECTER. And what specifically did you observe at the time of the second shot?
Mrs. HILL. Well, that's what I thought had happened---that they had hit someone in the front part of the car.

Mr. Specter.

And what did you observe at the time of the third shot?

Mrs. HILL. President Kennedy was hit again and he had further buffeted his body and I didn't realize at the time what it was-I remarked to my friends in the police station that day--did she notice his hair standing up, because it did. It just rippled up like this.

Mr. Specter.

And at what time was that?

Mrs. Hill.

On the third shot.
Mr. SPECTER. Did you notice Governor Connally at the time of the third shot?

Mrs. Hill.

I never saw him again.
Mr. SPECTER. What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL. Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
Mr. SPECTER. Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
Mrs. HILL. The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.

Mr. Specter.

And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was?

Mrs. HILL. That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down.

Mr. Specter.

Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say what anyone was doing or what events were occurring at the time of the fourth through perhaps the sixth shots which you have testified about?
Mrs. HILL. Well, as I said, at that time she was yelling at me and on the ground.

Mr. Specter.

Who was yelling at you?

Mrs. HILL. Mary, my friend, was yelling at me and she was down on the ground and I looked up and I could see everyone was just stunned, there was immobility all around and I just stood there looking around and I'm sure there wasn't a pause--it seemed like an eternity but I'm sure there was just a slight pause before things started moving again.
Mr. SPECTER. Were the shots over by that time when things started moving again?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. Then what happened on the scene?