Mrs. Hill.

Well, they say Mrs. Kennedy climbed up on the back of the car.

Mr. Specter.

Did you observe that?

Mrs. HILL. No; I have seen pictures that show that she must have, but I ran across the street.

Mr. Specter.

To the

Mrs. Hill.

Other side.

Mr. Specter.

North side of Elm Street?

Mrs. HILL. That's right. I saw a man up there running, or getting away or walking away or something--I would say he was running.

Mr. Specter.

Where was that man when you first saw him?
Mrs. HILL. He was right up there by the School Depository, just--not at the corner where they say the shots came from, at the other end, right up on the slope at the top of the slope.

Mr. Specter.

Would that be in front of the School Book Depository Building?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

At the west end?

Mrs. Hill.

More to the west end.

Mr. Specter.

Would it be between the westernmost point of the building and some other point in the building? Was he at the westernmost point or farther east than the westernmost point?

Mrs. Hill.

I would say he was farther east than the westernmost point.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you draw a diagram for me in rough outline, starting with Houston Street---

Mrs. Hill.

Yes; but I can't do this very well.
Mr. SPECTER. Permit me to draw an outline, then, to get your bearing here and realizing that I want your recollection, and I'll ask you the questions. Assume that Houston Street is the street which I am marking Houston. Assume that this is Main Street. Assume that Elm Street curves down in the manner that I am drawing and marking.

Mrs. Hill.

All right.

Mr. SPECTER. Assume that the Texas School Book Depository is this large building which I will mark "TSBD." Now, would you place with the letter "A" where you were at the time the President went by?

Mrs. Hill.

Well, I would have to place the President first.

Mr. Specter.

Fine---place him with the letter "X".

Mrs. Hill.

All right--if he were here---

Mr. SPECTER. Now, was he in the center of the street or on the side of the street?
Mrs. HILL. He was on the side he wasn't just completely over there, but he was past the center of the street and we were---

Mr. Specter.

Now, place yourself with the letter "A".

Mrs. Hill.

Right there [indicating].

Mr. Specter.

Make it a big printed "A" for us.

Mrs. Hill.

Okay. [Complied with request of counsel Specter.]

Mr. Specter.

Now, would you place the position you ran to after the President's car went by?

Mrs. Hill.

By that time, I'm sure the car was here it was on down a little way and I ran behind here.

Mr. Specter.

Draw a line to where you ran.

Mrs.. HILL. All right--I don't know whether I've got this just right--but I ran approximately right up through here.

Mr. Specter.

Put a "B" here where you were when you came to a stop on the other side of the street.

Mrs. Hill.

These steps.

Mr. Specter.

Now, where were you when you first noticed the

Mrs. Hill.

These steps that go up--I guess you've looked at the site, there are some steps down there that go up to that promenade, or whatever you call it.

Mr. Specter.

That go in a generally westerly direction?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Beyond the Texas School Book Depository Building?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes; and I was just on this side