you say was about 15 minutes before the motorcade came by, how much longer did you look back up at the building?

Mrs. Rowland.

Just about 2 or 3 minutes.

Mr. Belin.

After that?

Mrs. Rowland.

About 2 minutes.

Mr. Belin.

You mean about 2 minutes after that time?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. So that would be up to a time of about 13 minutes before the motorcade came by?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Did you ever. look back at the building after that period of time?

Mrs. ROWLAND. I may have glanced at it, but I don't remember looking back for the purpose of seeing the man.

Mr. Belin.

All right, or any man there?

Mrs. Rowland.

Any man there.
Mr. BELIN. What were you doing from the 13 minutes on before the motorcade came until the time it came?

Mrs. Rowland.

Just talking and looking.

Mr. Belin.

Where were you looking?

Mrs. ROWLAND. At the greet and the other people, and we talked about some men who were carrying cameras.
Mr. BELIN. Now when you were standing watching the motorcade or standing watching the street scene, do you remember if your husband was to your right or to your left? Was he closer towards the School Book Depository Building?

Mrs. Rowland.

No; he was to my left most of the time, I think.

Mr. Belin.

What was he doing?

Mrs. Rowland.

Just standing there talking.

Mr. Belin.

Talking to you?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know whether or not if he ever looked back at the building?

Mrs. Rowland.

I wouldn't know for certain.

Mr. Belin.

Did he ever tell you he was looking back at the building?

Mrs. Rowland.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Did you ever notice him looking back at the building?

Mrs. Rowland.

Not that I remember.

Mr. Belin.

Was he generally looking at you when he was talking with you?

Mrs. Rowland.

Not necessarily. He might have been looking around at the street or at the building.

Mr. Belin.

Or at anything?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Anything else at that place then that you specifically remember before the motorcade came by? Did your husband say anything about seeing anyone in the building, or did you talk any more about the man with the rifle?
Mrs. ROWLAND. I really don't remember very much about what happened afterward. I mean it was just----

Mr. Belin.

I mean between, in the 15 minutes preceding the motorcade?
Mrs.. ROWLAND. I remember hearing on the radio that the President was passing Ervay Street. It wasn't on our radio, somebody else's radio, and that is about all.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else you can think of?

Mrs. Rowland.

No.
Mr.. BELIN. By the way, what color dress were you wearing that day?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Oh, my, I am fairly certain I was either wearing a green suit or red and gray suit, but I am not positive.

Mr. Belin.

What kind of coat, if you were wearing a coat?

Mrs. Rowland.

I was wearing a brown coat, brown suede coat.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember what your husband was wearing?

Mrs. ROWLAND. He was wearing a plaid sports jacket, probably. I am not sure which sports jacket, but I think he was wearing a plaid sports jacket that was blue and had some black and grey in it.
Mr. BELIN. Was he wearing any overcoat over the sports jacket?