Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long you waited for the bus before you got it?
Mrs. ROWLAND. We were walking while waiting for the bus, and it was about, I guess, 20 minutes.

Mr. Belin.

So you figured you walked around about 20 minutes?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. So you figured you Would have left your mother's home shortly before 117

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

You are nodding your head yes?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, did you notice anything while you were watching. waiting for the motorcade?

Mrs. Rowland.

We saw an airplane. Now, while we were waiting for the motorcade, well, there was a man across the street who fainted in the park

Mr. Belin.

You were standing now on what street?

Mrs. Rowland.

On Houston Street.

Mr. Belin.

That would be on the east or the west side of Houston?

Mrs. Rowland.

West side cast side.

Mr. Belin.

East side. In front of what building?

Mrs. Rowland.

In front of the records, at the side of the records building.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know any particular spot that you were standing?

Mrs. Rowland.

We were standing near the drive-in entrance. There is an elevator there, too.

Mr. Belin.

Near the elevator that comes out of the ground?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, you said you noticed a man across the street fainted. Anything else that you and your husband noticed?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Well, my husband and I were talking about Mr. Stevenson's visit and the way the people had acted, and we were talking about security measures, and he said he saw a man on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository Building, and when I looked up there I didn't see the man, because I didn't know exactly what window he was talking about at first.
And when I found out which window it was, the man had apparently stepped back, because I didn't see him.

Mr. Belin.

Which window was it?

Mrs. Rowland.

It was the far left-hand window.

Mr. Belin.

As you face the building?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

It would be the window to the south side of the building?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Would it be on the eastern part of the south side or the western part of the south side?

Mrs. Rowland.

West.

Mr. Belin.

Would it be the farthermost west window?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes; the farthermost west pair of windows.

Mr. Belin.

The farthermost west pair of windows. What did your husband say to you?

Mrs. Rowland.

Well, we assumed that it was a Secret Service man.

Mr. Belin.

But what did he say, if you remember?

Mrs. Rowland.

He told me that he saw a man there who looked like he was holding a rifle, and that it must be a security man guarding the motorcade.

Mr. Belin.

Is there anything else that you can remember that he told you?

Mrs. Rowland.

No.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do when he told you that?

Mrs. Rowland.

Nothing. I just generally agreed with him.

Mr. Belin.

What do you mean "generally agree"? Did you see the man?

Mrs. Rowland.

No; I didn't see the man but I said I guess that was what it was.

Mr. Belin.

You mean you agreed that he must have been a security officer?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.