Mr. Belin.

And now he is working for?

Mrs. Rowland.

Life Circulation Co.

Mr. Belin.

Were you working at all during the fall, or what were you doing?

Mrs. ROWLAND. He worked for Sanger Harris during the Christmas season, too.

Mr. Belin.

Were you?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes. That is the only job. That is all I have worked.

Mr. Belin.

Were you going to school at all in the fall, or not?

Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes; at the beginning of the fall we were both going to school. But we couldn't quite afford to stay, and so because his job was only part-time---

Mr. Belin.

So did either one of you quit or both?

Mrs. Rowland.

Both.

Mr. Belin.

About when did you both quit?

Mrs. Rowland.

In November, I believe it was.
Mr. BELIN. Would this have been before or after the shooting of President Kennedy?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Well, we stopped going before the assassination, but we officially dropped afterwards.

Mr. Belin.

Well, let me ask you this. On the morning of the assassination, where were you?

Mrs. ROWLAND. We were on Houston Street near the drive-in entrance of the records building between Elm and Main Streets.

Mr. Belin.

Before that, where had you been that morning?

Mrs. Rowland.

At my mother's home.
Mr. BELIN. You had been at your mother's home that morning from about when to when?
Mrs. ROWLAND. Well, we were living with my mother, and so from that morning when we got up, and we walked part way----

Mr. Belin.

When did you leave your mother's home, about?
Mrs. ROWLAND. I think it was about 10 or 10:30, and we caught the bus. We walked a few blocks toward town, because we thought we would be too late to come see him, and we caught the bus, I don't know exactly what time it was when we got to town, but I think it was about 11:30, and about 15 minutes before the motorcade came by is when he told me about the man up in the window.

Mr. Belin.

All right, now, you caught a bus near your mother's place?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

About what time?

Mrs. Rowland.

The Ledbetter bus.

Mr. Belin.

About what time do you think you caught the bus?

Mrs. Rowland.

1 don't know, about 10:30, I guess.

Mr. Belin.

When did that get you downtown?

Mrs. Rowland.

About 11. I don't know exactly. I don't remember times very well.

Mr. Belin.

Well, let me ask you this. After you got downtown, what did you do?

Mrs. Rowland.

We just stood there waiting for the motorcade.

Mr. Belin.

Well, I will kind of work backwards How long did you stand waiting for the motorcade before the motorcade came by, if you remember?

Mrs. Rowland.

About 25 minutes, I think.

Mr. Belin.

How long did it take you to get from the bus stop?

Mrs. Rowland.

The bus stop was right there.

Mr. Belin.

Do you figure if the motorcade came by at around 12:30, you figure you got down to the spot at 12 or 12:05?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN: . If you got down to that spot at 12 or 12:05, how many minutes prior to that time do you think you got on the bus?

Mrs. Rowland.

About 45.

Mr. Belin.

You figure it might have been a 45-minute bus ride?

Mrs. Rowland.

Yes.
Mr. BELIN. That would have meant that you would have got on the bus around 11:15 or so?