Mr. Belin.

And, you say that you are either at the spot marked by the letter. "T" or perhaps a little bit to the east of that?

Mr. Truly.

That is right.

Mr. Belin.

And that you gradually might have moved a little bit towards the south, towards the parkway, is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Do you know approximately what time you got there, Mr. Truly? To the best of your recollection.

Mr. Truly.

3 or 4 minutes after we reached the entrance, the walkway, we stood on the steps 2 or 3 minutes, and then I don't believe we just gradually moved out a bit.
And then when the policemen leading the motorcade came off of Main on to Houston, we saw them coming, and then we just moved out a little farther to the edge of the parkway.

Mr. Belin.

Did you notice any other company employees with you other than Mr. Campbell at that time?

Mr. Truly.

Well, I did. I noticed several. Mrs. Reid was standing there close. And it seemed like there were several of the other employees standing out in front of the building. But I cannot--I think Bill Shelley was standing over to my right as I faced the motorcade--somewheres in that area.
I noticed just before the motorcade passed there were, I believe, three of our colored boys had come out and started up, and two of them came back. And I didn't see them when the motorcade passed.
But they had started across Houston Street up Elm, and they came back later on, and I think those were the ones that were two of them were the ones on the fifth floor. Possibly they could not see over the crowd. They are short boys. I wasn't doing too well at that, myself.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
What did you next see with reference to the motorcade?

Mr. Truly.

Do you mind me-

Mr. Belin.

Do you want to turn that over, sir? Will that be easier for you?

Mr. Truly.

It might be. easier for the gentlemen when I point this out. Now, what was the question?

Mr. Belin.

My question is what did you see with reference to the motorcade?

Mr. Truly.

All right.
We saw the motorcycle escort come off of Main and turn onto Houston Street.

Mr. Belin.

Main would be down here, and it would be coming off Houston, heading towards the building?

Mr. Truly.

Headed towards the building.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Truly.

And it went on down this way. And immediately after--

Mr. Belin.

By "this way" you mean the street marked Parkway?

Mr. Truly.

I assume that is the underpass that you have marked Parkway.

Mr. Belin.

The street leading to the expressway, that diagonal street?

Mr. Truly.

That is right.
And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.

Mr. Belin.

He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb?

Mr. Truly.

That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.
If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.