Mr. Belin.

He was over in the bin filling orders?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir; they had some bins there.

Mr. Belin.

Did you talk to him at all?

Mr. Givens.

No.

Mr. Belin.

Did you say hello, Lee?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir; I didn't say anything to him. I just looked at him.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember what he was wearing?

Mr. GIVENS. Well, I believe it was kind of a greenish looking shirt and pants was about the same color as his shirt, practically the same thing he wore all the time he worked there. He never changed clothes the whole time he worked there, and he would wear a grey looking jacket.

Mr. Belin.

All right. You saw him at 8:30 on the first floor?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Givens.

Well, we went back upstairs and started to work.

Mr. Belin.

You went back up to the sixth floor to continue laying the floor?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

When did you see Lee Harvey Oswald next?

Mr. Givens.

Next?

Mr. Belin.

Yes.
Mr. GIVENS. Well, it was about a quarter till 12, we were on our way downstairs, and we passed him, and he was standing at the gate on the fifth floor.
I came downstairs, and I discovered I left my cigarettes in my jacket pocket upstairs, and I took the elevator back upstairs to get my jacket with my cigarettes in it. When I got back upstairs, he was on the sixth floor in that vicinity, coming from that way.

Mr. Belin.

Coming from what way?

Mr. Givens.

Toward the window up front where the shots were fired from.

Mr. Belin.

Just a second, where did you go? Where were you when you saw him on the sixth floor?

Mr. GIVENS. I had went and got my jacket and was on my way back to the elevator.

Mr. Belin.

All right, just a second. I am going to get a plan of the sixth floor, if I have one, and try and have you point that out to me.

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Well, I don't seem to have a sixth floor plan here, but perhaps we can use another plan here to help us.
Here is a diagram of the front of the building. This is the Elm Street side, and you can see the arrow pointing north.
This perhaps would be a diagram of the third floor. You notice that there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven sets of windows, right?

Mr. Givens.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

On the Elm Street side, seven pairs of windows?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

You notice the two freight elevators toward the rear. Now did you see--when you first saw him on the sixth floor there, were you standing near any of these windows?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir. I was over here by the elevators.

Mr. Belin.

You are pointing your finger to a spot which would be somewhat to the east of the east elevator, is that correct?

Mr. Givens.

That's correct.
Mr. BELIN. At a spot which is about on the same line as what I call the south side of the east elevator, and about as far cast of the front part of that elevator as the distance from the front of the elevator to the back of the east elevator, is that about as far east of the front part of that elevator, is that about right?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

You were standing at that point, and where did you see Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. Givens.

Well, I was along here [indicating].

Mr. Belin.

All right, you are pointing at a spot you say along in here?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

That would be near the east wall of the building?