Mrs. Hill.

No; I just couldn't find him again. When I stopped to look down at the grass, at this red stuff and when I looked back up, by that time everyone was screaming and moving around.
Mr. SPECTER. And where were you when you looked down at the ground? Point it-out to me on the diagram.
Mrs. HILL. The steps that go up to this colonnade thing right there and I saw it right about here.

Mr. Specter.

Well, mark it with the letter "E" there.

Mrs. Hill.

All right.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, a moment ago you said you didn't want to say anything more about the identity of the man. Why. did you tell me that, Mrs. Hill?

Mrs. Hill.

Well, because I have had an awful lot of fun made of me over being a witness in this and I'm real tired of it.

Mr. Specter.

Who made fun of you?

Mrs. Hill.

Well, quite a lot of people.

Mr. Specter.

Anybody connected with the official investigation in the case?

Mrs. Hill.

No, oh, no; it was just people, but people that I know.

Mr. Specter.

Alright, and why have they made fun of you, because of your identification of who that man was?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Any other reason?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes--I saw a dog in the car. They kept asking me, and I even gave that out on a radio or TV interview that I had seen a dog in the car.

Mr. Specter.

In which car?

Mrs. HILL. Between the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and they kept asking me what kind of a dog and I said, "I don't know, I wasn't interested in what was in the seat," but I said, "It was white and fuzzy," and I said, "It was something white and kind of fuzzy and it was in the seat between them," and I said, "I just got to thinking---it must be a small dog," because I had remarked to my girl friend as they were taking us in the police station, I said, "Why?" I said, "I could see Liz Taylor or the Gabors traveling with a bunch of dogs, but I can't see the Kennedys traveling with dogs. Why would they have a dog with them on tour?" And, when we remarked about that she and I both--and I said, "Did you see it? What kind of a dog was it? Why were they taking a dog?" I found out later that it was those roses in the seat, but I knew they were looking at something and I just barely glanced and I saw this.

Mr. Specter.

Is there any other reason people made fun of you?
Mrs. HILL .Well, basically, the people that made fun of me was my husband, and, of course, that was because--does this have to go in the record?
Mr. SPECTER. Yes; only in the sense that we are putting everything on the record. This really isn't too important but it is the best procedure to follow, that everything be written down.

Mrs. Hill.

Well.

Mr. Specter.

In a situation of this sort.

Mrs. HILL. Well, because I talked with an Oklahoma twang, and called Mrs. Kennedy "Jackie" and I said, "He pitched forward in Jackie's lap," and I just didn't rehearse it and do it right at all, because I didn't know it was going to be taken down.

Mr. Specter.

And those are the reasons your husband made fun of you?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes; and because I saw a dog and he was thoroughly hilarious when he found out that it was roses in the back seat and that I had seen a dog, and he said, "Of all people in the United States you would have to see a dog."

Mr. Specter.

Has anybody made fun of you besides your husband?

Mrs. Hill.

No; not really, but he's done enough for a whole bunch of people.

Mr. Specter.

Now, going back to the question of the description of this man, can, you describe him in any more detail than you already have?

Mrs. Hill.

No; I haven't---I can't.

Mr. Specter.

His height you said was about the height of Jack Ruby?

Mrs. Hill.

That's right.

Mr. Specter.

How about his weight?

Mrs. HILL. That's the only thing---I would say--he certainly wasn't any bigger than Jack Ruby.