Mrs. Hill.

That's the reason I ran across the street.

Mr. Specter.

Did you see him while you were at point "A"?

Mrs. Hill.

Do you mean prior to the shots? Yes; I saw him, that's the reason why I went across the street.

Mr. Specter.

So, you saw him when you were at point "A"?

Mrs. Hill.

That's right-that's the reason I left that spot.

Mr. Specter.

And he was at point "C" when you first saw him?

Mrs. Hill.

That's right.

Mr. Specter.

Did he move before you moved?

Mrs. Hill.

His moving made me start after him.

Mr. Specter.

So, he did move before you moved?

Mrs. HILL. Yes; and as I came across the street--as I said---I never did see Mrs. Kennedy get up or anything, because when I ran across the street, the first motorcycle that was right behind her nearly hit me turning around, because I looked up in his face and he was looking all around.

Mr. Specter.

You mean the policeman?
Mrs. HILL. Yes; and I don't think he ever did see me. I Just looked at him and dodged then because I thought his wheel was going to hit me, and I don't think he ever did see me, and I ran across through there and started up the hill. When I looked down on the ground, I mean, as I was running up the hill to catch that man, I looked down and saw some red stuff and I thought, "Oh, they got him, he's bleeding," and this is embarrassing, but it turned out to be Koolade or some sort of red drink.

Mr. Specter.

You thought they had gotten the man who was running away?

Mrs. Hill.

Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?

Mrs. Hill.

I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Mr. Specter.

Can you describe what that man looked like?

Mrs. Hill.

He wasn't

Mr. Specter.

How tall was he?

Mrs. Hill.

He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER. Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?

Mrs. Hill.

Well, yes; but I don't want to.

Mr. Specter.

Why is that?

Mrs. HILL. Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming
from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.

Mr. Specter.

Why did you think they were coming from the knoll?

Mrs. Hill.

That was just my idea where they were coming from.
Mr. SPECTER. Would you draw the knoll on the picture, where you mean by the knoll?

Mrs. Hill.

This area in front of the Book Depository---it's right here.
Mr. SPECTER. Just draw me a circle as to where you had a general impression the shots were coming from.
Mrs. HILL This is a hill and it was like they were coming from right in there. That's when I looked up and saw that man and all the rest of the people were stunned and not moving in that area and yet he was getting out of there--I thought that probably he had done it, and so I went to catch him, for some reason.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, did you have a conscious impression of the source of the first shot that you heard, that is, where it came from?

Mrs. Hill.

Well, evidently I didn't because the only conscious recollection I have of that---I mean---until all this other came out---I had always thought that they came from the knoll.