Mr. Ruby.

so”? Finally he said, "I was only kidding, I was only kidding," and there's a certain reaction you have and I can't explain it. That's the only time any crime of that sort has ever happened outside of my business.

Mr. Herndon.

Outside of your business?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Herndon.

Then, if I asked you whether or not you told me you ever hit anyone with any kind of weapon, unless something else comes up to your mind, you would answer that "Yes"?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, like if I was a goon or something.

Mr. Herndon.

Yes, a union goon.

Mr. Ruby.

A union goon. Right. I haven't been a slugger or anything like that.

Mr. Herndon.

All right, we can go along here Mr. Ruby, and I will hook up the instrument.
(Reporter's note: 6:43 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

Will you raise your arms, Mr. Ruby, please? Do you feel comfortable?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, lean back. [Attached instruments to Mr. Ruby.]

Mr. Ruby.

Have I been evading any of your questions?

Mr. Herndon.

You have been most cooperative thus far no problems.

Mr. Ruby.

But you can't tell how I stand, can you?

Mr. Herndon.

Mr. Ruby, I will want to take a considerable amount of time to review these charts very thoroughly before I come to any conclusion.

Mr. Ruby.

How long would it take----how long will it take?

Mr. Herndon.

Well, I can't answer that question with a definite answer. It depends on what I may run into when I study these very carefully back in Washington.

Mr. Ruby.

Bill, will I still be around when the answers come back?

Mr. Alexander.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

Raise your right hand and give him your word.

Mr. Alexander.

That's right.

Mr. Ruby.

Chief, you heard him, did you not, Chief? [Addressing the Chief Jailer Holman.] You and I should live so long.

Mr. Herndon.

Is that comfortable, Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, I'm not going to ask the questions at this time, I'm just going to readjust the instruments.

Mr. Tonahill.

Let's go, Bill.

Mr. Specter.

Let the record show that Mr. Alexander and Mr. Tonahill have left the room.

Mr. Herndon.

Do you want to cough, Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Ruby.

You want me to?

Mr. Herndon.

Yes.
(Mr. Ruby coughed at this time.)

Mr. Herndon.

All right, are you about ready to begin with this one?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Once again, just repeating instructions, if you will uncross your legs, sir, and put your feet fiat on the floor and look straight ahead and answer the questions truthfully "Yes" or "No."
This will be series No. 5. I will let you know when the test will begin. Is there a little pressure on the arm cuff?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes.

Mr. Herndon.

Now, Mr. Ruby, look straight ahead. That's fine. Now, just look straight ahead and try not to move, and the test will begin.
(Reporter's note: 6:45 p.m.)

Mr. Herndon.

"Is your last name Ruby?"

Mr. Ruby.

"Yes."

Mr. Herndon.

"Did you see the armored car before it entered the basement?"

Mr. Ruby.

"No."

Mr. Herndon.

"Do you have any brothers?"

Mr. Ruby.

"Yes."