Mr. Senator.

I should remember his name. I can't even think of his name right now.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, maybe you will think of it later. Did Sealer and St. Charles have another business which they operated while they----

Mr. Senator.

Yes; this business was a small little thing.

Mr. Griffin.

This was a sideline with them?

Mr. Senator.

Just a little thing. It wasn't even, you know--it was a small little business.

Mr. Griffin.

What was Seder's main business?

Mr. Senator.

Sealer was a traveling man who sold men's apparel.

Mr. Griffin.

What was St. Charles' main business?

Mr. Senator.

St. Charles, a drugstore.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you acquire the postcards and novelties from?

Mr. Senator.

The novelties, you see, there was a few novelties that he had left over in this thing here, in this business here, which weren't that good, and I got rid of them at a loss, you know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you buy any----

Mr. Senator.

There wasn't that much.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you buy any more novelties to supplant those?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you buy those?

Mr. Senator.

Some I bought locally and some were bought out of town.

Mr. Griffin.

And I take it the postcards, you had some source supplying the postcards too?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Seder and St. Charles between the time that Jack Ruby killed Oswald and the time that Elmer Moore talked with you?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so. I don't think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk to him by telephone?

Mr. Senator.

Who?

Mr. Griffin.

Seder and St. Charles.

Mr. Senator.

Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it then that you did not feel any obligation to report back to them and tell them that you were not going to be----

Mr. Senator.

I was obligated, but the condition I felt, it was just a no-care attitude any more.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any sort of a draw from this postcard and novelty company?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What was your draw?

Mr. Senator.

It was $75 a week, but I was drawing $61.45.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you continue with your draw after Jack----

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

You didn't continue after Jack killed Oswald?

Mr. Senator.

Nothing. I didn't do anything.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, after Elmer Moore talked with you, you were then interviewed some time later by two FBI agents, Mr. Rawlings and Glonek?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; that is correct.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember where you were staying at that time?

Mr. Senator.

I think I was staying with Lauve. The first approximately 10 days you know, I was just Jumping around. But from there on in I was with Lauve.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you stay with the Lauves?

Mr. Senator.

I must have stayed with them, I would probably say approximately around 5 weeks, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you leave Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

I left Dallas, I think it was about the end of the first week, if I remember right.

Mr. Griffin.

Of what?

Mr. Senator.

January.

Mr. Griffin.

And when did you return to Dallas?