Mrs. Voshinin.

were Clarks--one of the first--Gali and Max Clark--that's [spelling] G-a-l-i.

Mr. Jenner.

In what town do they live?

Mrs. Voshinin.

They live at 3712 Selkirk--[spelling] S-e-l-k-i-r-k---in Fort Worth.

Mr. Jenner.

Max Clark is an attorney, is he not?

Mrs. Voshinin.

That's right; uh-huh.

Mr. Jenner.

And Mrs. Clark is----

Mrs. Voshinin.

She has also an education in the law.

Mr. Jenner.

An education in law?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; from Europe.

Mr. Jenner.

Is she a naturalized citizen?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I believe so, I don't know. She is married to Max--uh--she probably--that's the way she got to this country. She's not a born American.

Mr. Jenner.

What I was getting at is what is her nativity? Do you know?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Well, she said that her mother is of British Hughes. And her father was Russian--Sheherbatov. It's a very well-known historical name.

Mr. Jenner.

Spell that, please.

Mrs. Voshinin.

[Spelling] S-h-c-h-e-r-b-a-t-o-v.
Then we met a family by name Popoff--[spelling] P-o-p-o-f-f--Nicholas Popoff.

Mr. Jenner.

Does he live here?

Mrs. Voshinin.

He lives here; yes. He's a mechanical engineer. I'm not sure where he works.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he a native of Russia?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; I think so.
And I believe that's--yes, there were some people of Ukrainian background. I don't remember their names, though.
But, anyway, it was a very small parish. And there were also two priests--- young priests--one monk, Father Hilary Madison, and another one, Father Dimitri Royster.

Mr. Jenner.

That's [spelling] R-o-y-s-t-e-r?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Right. And that is where our troubles with George Bouhe started.
I mean, George Bouhe wanted to make it a Russian-speaking parish. And Father Royster and Father Hilary were believing that it would be much better if it were an English-speaking parish because it would be a church of the future.
And, of course, I know, according to my brother's children, that they always tend to go to English-speaking services, because they say that they understand much better English. They do not understand Church Slavonic at all. You know, that's an obsolete language, slightly different from Russian and different from modern Russian language.
So, of course, we agreed with those two young priests more than with George.

Mr. Jenner.

Uh-huh.

Mrs. Voshinin.

And here the trouble started.
And we separated finally and Father Dimitri decided to start a new church--practically from scratch. There were three Voshinins in his church, I believe four Chichillas--[spelling] C-h-i-c-h-i-l-l-a-s--and I think that was about the whole parish.
And, after that, we did not have much contact with George. In fact, we resented each other extensively. But, with the years, the resentment sort of died out and now we are just very polite but not very friendly.

Mr. Jenner.

But you do have social intercourse with George?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Bouhe?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Voshinin.

No, sir; I meet him at a party some place at other people's parties once in a while, but----

Mr. Jenner.

Are you employed?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Self-employed.

Mr. Jenner.

Self-employed?
And, when you first came here, were you employed by anybody?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; I was employed by George De Mohrenschildt for half a day and for half a day I worked for Henry Rogatz--both geologists. I stayed