Mr. Liebeler.

apparently and that is that the pigs took over the farm, and then they got to be just like the capitalists were before, they got fighting among themselves, and there was one big pig who did just the same thing that the capitalist had done before. Didn't Oswald tell you about that?

Mr. Delgado.

No; just that the pigs and animals had revolted and made the farmer work for them. The Animal Farm. Is that a socialist book?

Mr. Liebeler.

No.

Mr. Delgado.

That is just the way you interpret it; right?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; I think so. It is actually supposed to be quite an anti-Communist book.

Mr. Delgado.

Is it really?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes. You and Oswald finally began to cool off toward each other a little bit; is that right?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How did that come about?

Mr. Delgado.

Well, like I said, his ideas about Castro kept on persisting in the same way as at the beginning, when evidence was being shown that Castro was reverting to a Communist way of government, you know, and secret state, secret police state, and the turning point came about when there was this one corporal Batista had in his army, very thin, small fellow, and he had no significant job whatsoever, he was just a corporal in the army, and because of the fact that a lady stepped forward at the tribunal and said that this corporal was in charge of mass murdering all these people, that Batista was supposed to have done away with, they executed him on the pure fact of one lady's statement with no proof whatsoever.
So I brought that to his attention and he said, "Well, in all new governments some errors have to occur, but you can be sure that something like this was investigated prior to his execution but you will never know about it because they won't publicize that hearing," you know.
I couldn't see that, what was happening over there then, when they started executing these people on just mere word of mouth.
Batista executed them when he had them, a regular blood bath going on there. But that's when I started cooling off, and he started getting more reverent toward Castro, he started thinking higher----

Mr. Liebeler.

More highly?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes; more highly of Castro than I did, and about a month later I was on leave, and when I came back he was gone. And it must have been a fast processing, because I wasn't gone over 15 days; when I come back he was already gone.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you and Oswald stay in the same hut together until he actually got out of the Marines?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever put in for a transfer to another hut to get away from Oswald before you went on leave?

Mr. Delgado.

I did, but it never went through. I was the hut NCO, and all the other huts had NCO's, and if I went into another hut I would be under another guy.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you didn't want to do that?

Mr. Delgado.

No; I had my rank.

Mr. Liebeler.

So you stayed there and remained NCO in charge of the hut?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes; but he never got into arguments with me. He liked to talk politics with one fellow particularly, Call, and he would argue with him, and Oswald would get to a point where he would get utterly distrusted with the discussion and got out of the room. Whenever it got to the point where anger was going to show, he would stop cold and walk out and leave the conversation in the air.

Mr. Liebeler.

He never got mad at anybody?

Mr. Delgado.

Not physically mad, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever know him to get into a fight with anybody at Santa Ana?

Mr. Delgado.

No.