So Marina and Mrs. Paine came to your house and they went from there, went to the apartment on Magazine then?
Miss MURRET. They stayed there a very short while and Marina was petrified----

Mr. Liebeler.

What was she petrified about?
Miss MURRET. Well, on meeting us for the first time, and the language barrier, and the baby was cross and crying because of all the people there, I guess, and probably tired. I think Marina was nervous or probably thinking that we would think that it was a bad or a spoiled child. So they left very shortly after, and I don't think Marina ever came in the back. Mrs. Paine came in the back to get a root beer, and I can't remember if that is when she introduced herself, or I was in the front when they introduced them, or not. I met Marina when she came into the living room. I don't remember whether he introduced me to Mrs. Paine formally, or whether she introduced herself.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was Lee there at that time?
Miss MURRET. Yes; he had moved out----

Mr. Liebeler.

But he had come out, that is, come back to your house to meet Marina and Mrs. Paine?
Miss MURRET. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to Marina?
Miss MURRET. She doesn't speak English. On that day we hardly said anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was indicated to you that she could not speak English; is that correct?
Miss MURRET. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever try to talk to Marina in English?
Miss MURRET. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How did it go?
Miss MURRET. It was exasperating.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she understand any English?
Miss MURRET. I think she understood more than she could speak, but still there is a lot she doesn't understand.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have the feeling that she was not very proficient in the English language?
Miss MURRET. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were you able to communicate anything in any way with her at all in English?
Miss MURRET. Just petty things, you know, like if she would eat something, how to make that, and "no like," or through mannerisms and small words to say a few things. She also commented, you know, when they would eat over there a few times on the food, but other than that, she----

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you form any impression of Mrs. Paine?
Miss MURRET. Mrs. Paine? I don't know--my mother had said that Lee had been invited to this professor's house, or something, to show slides, a professor out at Tulane, a professor of languages.

Mr. Liebeler.

What is his name? Is it Riseman?
Miss MURRET. That was when he was living on Magazine, and I think they telephoned my mother to find out if anybody had called the house for an application, or different things, and I think he said he was going that night, that they were suppose to show slides. Now, this man had one daughter, I think, who was in Russia, and he was a friend of Mrs. Paine's.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would the name Kloepfer sound like the----
Miss MURRET. No.

Mr. Liebeler.

How about Riseman?
Miss MURRET. No; I don't know the language professor's name.

Mr. Liebeler.

You think your mother would remember?
Miss MURRET. I don't think so, because I think it was the other Secret Service man who tried to get her to remember and she couldn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

And this professor, he was a professor of what?

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