Mr. Liebeler.

Five frames?

Mr. Zapruder.

Five frames is nothing--I believe.

Mr. Liebeler.

How about 249?

Mr. Zapruder.

No. 249--I just wonder if it was the motion that he went back with that I don't remember--it looks like he has got his hand on his head--I don't remember seeing that. Of course, the pictures would show.
Mr. LIEBELER, Yes; when you pick one of them out it's hard to break it down and pick them out.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; it's hard. We run them in single frames--and to get the main shot--it's hard.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, let's turn over to picture 255--these all do look like they are from your film?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; they are I know this--I have seen it so many times. In fact, I used to have nightmares. The thing would come every night--I wake up and see this.

Mr. Liebeler.

What about 255---what about that one?

Mr. Zapruder.

That's still the same series.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's still the same series--they keep moving along.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And let's look at No. 213---as we go along here--then he does start moving sharply to the left.

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; when you take it frame by frame, it could have been just 2 or 3 seconds, but the impression was that he was leaning over and not just sitting there and looking over that and grabbing himself at the left side.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; moving toward Mrs. Kennedy.

Mr. Zapruder.

That's what impressed me. Now, what number are you on?

Mr. Liebeler.

313--you remember that one?

Mr. Zapruder.

That was--that was the horrible one.

Mr. Liebeler.

It appears to you then, that this book of pictures here as you look through it, are your pictures?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, Mr. Zapruder, after you had the film developed I understand Mr. Sorrels from the Secret Service came over and helped you get the films developed and you gave two copies of your films to Mr. Sorrels, is that correct?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes. One we have sent to Washington the same night and one went over for the viewers of the FBI on Ervay Street.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's the Secret Service?

Mr. Zapruder.

The Secret Service--I brought one roll there and they told me to dispatch it by Army plane or I don't know what they had done with it but it was supposed to have gone to Washington and one of them, I believe, remained here with Mr. Sorrels. He came to my office quite a few times to show them to different people.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, I understand that you, yourself, retained the original film?

Mr. Zapruder.

No; I don't have that at all--I don't have any at all. They were sold to Time and Life magazines.

Mr. Liebeler.

You sold that to Life magazine?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Commission is interested in one aspect of this and I would like to ask you if you would mind telling us how much they paid you for that film.

Mr. Zapruder.

For the film?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Zapruder.

Well, I just wonder whether I should answer it or not because it involves a lot of things and it's not one price--it's a question of how they are going to use it, are they going to use it or are they not going to use it, so I will say I really don't know how to answer that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, I am not going to even urge you to answer the question. We will ask it and if you would rather not answer it--the Commission feels it would be helpful.

Mr. Zapruder.

I received $25,000, as you know, and I have given that to the