Chief Curry came around the other side of the desk and took Will Fritz over in the corner and they bowed their heads and discussed in an undertone. Apparently, I got the impression they weren't trying to hide anything from us, but they didn't want Oswald to overhear what they were saying. They were mumbling in an undertone and I didn't distinguish one thing that was said.

Mr. Belin.

Did Oswald ask to have a sweater or some clothes brought in?

Mr. Holmes.

Yes. Well, I don't know that he asked. I will take that back. I don't know that he asked. All I know, they handed it in and said, "Do you want any of those clothes, or do you want to change your clothes?"
And he said, "I will take one of the sweaters." They gave him the wrong sweater and he didn't like that and he asked for the other. And they uncuffed him and he slipped his arm in and they handcuffed him back up, and that is the only change. It was a black slipover kind of V-neck sweater.
Then they walked him out of the office and I stayed in the office with the two Secret Service men.

Mr. Belin.

So you didn't accompany Oswald when they left?

Mr. Holmes.

No.

Mr. Belin.

When did you first learn that Oswald had been shot?

Mr. Holmes.

I told Sorrels, I said, "I have my car down the street. Let's go down to my office, because it is directly across the reflecting pool from this School Depository Building and from the sheriff's office and entrance where they will take him in. Let's go down to my office and we can look at it from my window and have a better eye view in case anything happens." And he said. "Well, I have my car down there too, and I will need to have it to get back to my office, so I will just take my own car."
So, I immediately went downstairs and got in my car and proceeded to my office, which probably took me ten minutes.
When I got to the sidewalk of the terminal annex I parked my car and walked right in the door. One of the inspectors who was watching this box, they still had the surveillance on the box---said, "Well, they got Oswald now."
I said, "What are you talking about?"
"Well, they have shot Oswald."
They had a radio sitting there going. I said, "That is not right. That is misinformation, because it hasn't been 5 or 7 or 8 minutes that I left him in his presence and he was very much alive then" And just then they kept talking on the radio, and I got to listening, and sure enough, they shot him.

Mr. Belin.

Where was your car parked? Was it parked in the basement where they were going to transfer Oswald?

Mr. Holmes.

No; out on the street.

Mr. Belin.

Now, did you ever talk to Captain Fritz or any police officer about Oswald getting shot?

Mr. Holmes.

I haven't talked or discussed this in any way.

Mr. Belin.

Not since then with any other police officer?

Mr. Holmes.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Was there anything said in that interrogation of Lee. Harvey Oswald pertaining to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, that you remember?

Mr. Holmes.

When I was discussing with him about rental application for Box No. 6225 at the terminal annex, I asked him if he had shown that anyone else was entitled to get mail in that box and he said, "No."
I said, "Who did you show as your--what did you show as your business?
And he said, "I didn't show anything."
I said, "Well, your box rental application here says, 'Fair Play for Cuba Committee and the American Civil Liberties Union'."
Well, he said, "Maybe that is right, I did put them on there."
I said, "Did they, anyone, who paid for the box?"
He said, "I paid for it out of my own personal money."
"Did you rent it in the name of these organizations?"
And he said, "No."
He said, "I don't know why I put it on." He wouldn't talk about it.

Mr. Belin.

Did you talk about whether he believed in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee?

Mr. Holmes.

No; we didn't get into that. We did discuss the organization

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