Mr. Leavelle.

believe, had on shirts. He was the only one that had on a T-shirt and I recall--I am not sure but I think it was the last one where he was raising cain about being up there with a T-shirt and wouldn't be quiet

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Leavelle.

He said it wasn't fair, him being showed up in a T-shirt and being photographed in a T-shirt and all that. I don't know what he didn't say; he went on all the time.

Mr. Ball.

Did Whaley say anything to you personally?

Mr. Leavelle.

To me personally?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, of course, I asked him if he---if the man that he remembered or saw there, whatever he was identifying him for there was up there and he said "Yes, the man in the T-shirt." Whether he was doing all the talking or not wouldn't make any difference, he still knew him.

Mr. Ball.

What did Scoggins say?

Mr. Leavelle.

He said practically the same thing--the man in the T-shirt was the or the No. 3 man was the man he had saw do the shooting.

Mr. Ball.

Who said that?

Mr. Leavelle.

That would have been Scoggins.

Mr. Ball.

Did Whaley say--tell you whether or not he had ever seen this man before?

Mr. Leavelle.

He was supposed to have seen him I believe, but I do not recall what the circumstances were under which he saw him right offhand.

Mr. Ball.

Where Scoggins saw him you remember, in other words, though?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; in other words, he was the one who said he was sitting there eating a sack of lunch parked near the corner when the shooting occurred.

Mr. Ball.

Now, on November 24, on Sunday morning, did you return to work about the same time, 8 o'clock, or so?

Mr. Leavelle.

Little before 10, I believe, or something.

Mr. Ball.

And, were you ordered by Captain Fritz to get Oswald?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; I don't--I see here it says 9:30---whatever the official time was, I think it probably was maybe about that time.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go to get Oswald?

Mr. Leavelle.

I had to go to the fourth floor jail.

Mr. Ball.

Did you handcuff him?

Mr. Leavelle.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Were his handcuffs in the front or in the rear?

Mr. Leavelle.

In front.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you taking him?

Mr. Leavelle.

Took him down the inside elevator to the third floor into Captain Fritz's office.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present at that meeting in Captain Fritz's office?

Mr. Leavelle.

Well, I can recall, I believe during that time I was there there were several people in and out. I believe primarily myself and Mr. Graves and Dhority and Montgomery were in there most of the time, I don't know. We were in, probably might have stepped outside the door at one time or another but primarily we were around and also Mr. Kelley, Secret Service, and a man from the postal inspector's office. I cannot recall his name at this time. He should be on here---oh, yes, Mr. Sorrels, also, and Holmes of the postal department. Now, those people and Chief Curry came in once or twice. All those people may not have stayed in there constantly during the time but they were in there at some time or other.

Mr. Ball.

Did these various people ask questions of Oswald?

Mr. Leavelle.

I know Mr. Sorrels did and I know Mr. Kelley did. I do not recall whether Mr. Holmes asked any questions or not and Captain Fritz asked him some.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember what Mr. Sorrels asked him?

Mr. Leavelle.

No; I don't.

Mr. Ball.

Remember what Mr. Kelley asked him?

Mr. Leavelle.

I can only remember one question Mr. Kelley asked him and that was whether or not he thought the attitude of the U.S. Government toward