Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I remember a busdriver coming up there but I don't think I talked with him.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever examine the transfer for the punchmark date?

Mr. Sims.

The busdriver did. He identified that as coming from his punch-card.

Mr. Ball.

I know, but I want to know about you--did you look at the transfer?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; I looked at it.

Mr. Ball.

Did you look at the date and the time that it was punched on the transfer?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember if I did or not. I'm sure I looked at it but I don't remember.

Mr. Ball.

You say it was shown to a busdriver and he made some remarks about it; were you there when it was shown to the busdriver?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

So, you are just telling me what some other officer told you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

All right.

Mr. Sims.

I didn't see actually the busdriver, I don't believe, identify his transfer.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know the officer that showed the transfer to the busdriver?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any identification bracelet on Oswald?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; he had an identification bracelet.

Mr. Ball.

Did he have that on at the time of the showup?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever remove that?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; when they were getting his paraffin cast on his hands.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you do with that identification bracelet?

Mr. Sims.

I placed it in the property room cardsheet.

Mr. Ball.

Did you examine that identification bracelet?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did it have on it, if you remember?

Mr. Sims.

It had his name on it.

Mr. Ball.

And what was it made out of? What material?

Mr. Sims.

It was, I guess, sterling silver. It was a regular G.I. identification bracelet with a chain and then his nameplate across the top.

Mr. Ball.

Now, we are up to the time after the last showup when Mr. Clements interrogated Oswald for about half an hour; what happened after the interrogation by Mr. Clements?

Mr. Sims.

At 8:55 Detective Johnny Hicks and R. L. Studebaker of the crime lab came to Captain Fritz' office.

Mr. Ball.

What did they do?

Mr. Sims.

Hicks fingerprinted Oswald and then Sgt. Pete Barnes came in.

Mr. Ball.

What is his name?

Mr. Sims.

Pete Barnes. He is working with the crime lab also.

Mr. Ball.

. And what did Barnes do?

Mr. Sims.

Well, he may have assisted in the fingerprinting--I don't know for sure.

Mr. Ball.

Is he a crime lab man also?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir, and then shortly later, Capt. George Doughty came in, he's in charge of the crime lab.

Mr. Ball.

And what did he do?

Mr. Sims.

He just stayed a few minutes.

Mr. Ball.

How do you spell his name?

Mr. Sims.

(spelling). D-o-u-g-h-t-y--George Doughty.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did they make paraffin tests?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

They made casts at that time?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Of what?