Mr. Givens.

Well, I would say about 10 feet from the window. In the aisle we had one pretty good stack of books there, one large stack.

Mr. Belin.

Would they have been as tall as you?

Mr. Givens.

Well, yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. If a man would have been standing up there, would you have been able to see him?
Mr. GIVENS. No. sir; I wouldn't unless he moved down towards the north end of the building.
. Mr. BELIN. Did anyone else use any of the elevators while you were up on the sixth floor getting your cigarettes?
Mr. GIVENS. Not that I know of; no, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever tell anyone that you saw Lee Oswald reading a newspaper in the domino room around 11:50, 10 minutes to 12 on that morning on November 22d?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you ever observe Lee Oswald getting the newspaper in the

domino room shortly before lunch on days other than November 22d?

Mr. Givens.

Not before lunch. It would be right at lunch time.

Mr. Belin.

Right at lunch time?

Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir. We always ate in there.

Mr. Belin.

Would Oswald always eat in there?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. When you first went downstairs from the sixth floor to the first floor with the other men on those two elevators, you took two elevators, didn't you?
Mr. GIVENS. Yes; we took two down.

Mr. Belin.

Were you racing the elevators?

Mr. Givens.

That's right.

Mr. Belin.

Who won?

Mr. GIVENS. Well, the east elevator beat the other one down, because it stopped quicker, but it had to adjust itself.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got down to the first floor before you went back up to the sixth floor again?
Mr. GIVENS. Well, I got a drink of water and reached for my cigarettes and I thought about I left them in my jacket pocket.
Mr. BELIN. Did you go to the rest room at all before you went back up to the sixth floor?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir. Yes, sir, I believe I did. I went in and washed my hands, I sure did.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else before you went back up to the sixth floor?

Mr. Givens.

No, sir; that was it.
Mr. BELIN. Now the first time when you left the sixth floor with these other men to take the two elevators down, did you at any time look over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. Well, no, sir; I didn't pay any attention the first time I was coming down.

Mr. Belin.

Where were you laying the new floor that morning? What portion of the sixth floor would it

Mr. Givens.

West side.

Mr. Belin.

How much of the west side?

Mr. GIVENS. Well, we were working, I would say, about 10 feet from Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN. Well, you were pointing to right over this point here?

Mr. Givens.

Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Well, looking at the scale, it would be about 10 feet from the--it would be more than 10 feet. Here is the scale.
This would be 20 feet, so it would be more than 20 feet from Elm Street?

Mr. Givens.

About 20 feet, maybe so.
Mr. BELIN. Do you think it was closer to 10 feet than 20 feet from the Elm Street side of the west part of the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. I believe it was somewhere in that vicinity.
Mr. BELIN. How close was it to the west wall on the sixth floor?