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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. VI - Page 322« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of J. Herbert Sawyer)

Mr. BELIN. When you say about the man who did the shooting, did you know at that time who did the shooting?

Mr. Sawyer.
No.
Mr. Belin.
Do you know about what time in the afternoon this was?
Mr. Sawyer.
Somewhere along in here; let's see if we can't find it.
Mr. Belin.
This doesn't go past 1:53 p.m.
Mr. Sawyer.
What about your other transcript?
Mr. Belin.
I have a transcript of another one here, at least I did have.
Mr. Sawyer.
I think we caught the man in the crowd later and sent him down. We sent him directly down to Captain Fritz's office.
Mr. Belin.
Well, just a minute now. I see here on No. 1, you have two channels there.
Mr. Sawyer.
This is Channel 1, yes.
Mr. Belin.
We will call this Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit B.
I see here that you go on at 12:45 p.m., with this statement by your No. 9. You want to read it?
Mr. Sawyer.
Yes.
Mr. Belin.
"From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if he was there in the first place."
Mr. Belin.
Then it reads back here, "All the information we have received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that building." That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. Sawyer.
That's right.
Mr. Belin.
That is at least after 12:45 p.m., and before 12:48 p.m.?
Mr. Sawyer.
Right.
Mr. BELIN. Now looking down on this log until the next time your number appears, is 1:12 p.m. What does that say?
Mr. Sawyer.
"We have found empty rifle hulls on the fifth floor and from all indications the man had been there for some time."
Mr. Belin.
Then is there anything else?
Mr. Sawyer.
This was reported to me by somebody inside the building.
Mr. Belin.
That was at 1:12 p.m., that the hulls were found, or at least shortly prior to that? This doesn't say anything else. It apparently doesn't go in detail much past 1:58 p.m., on Sawyer Deposition. Exhibit B, and 1:53

p.m., on Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit A.
Mr. Sawyer.
That's right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you still feel sometime after that you might have called out another description?
Mr. Sawyer.
It was another, sometime after that, or it has been left out of I don't think it has been left out of this, but it must have been after
Mr. Belin.
All right, now, sir; you did broadcast that description out of this
Mr. Sawyer.
Yes, that's correct. That shows on the radio log. Where did you get that description
Mr. Sawyer.
We are talking now about the colored man?
Mr. BELIN. No, I am talking about the one that is on Sawyer's Deposition Exhibit A, that shows you at 12:43.
Mr. SAWYER. That description came to me mainly from one witness who claimed to have seen the rifle barrel in the fifth or sixth floor of the building, and claimed to have been able to see the man up there.
Mr. Belin.
Do you know this person's name?
Mr. Sawyer.
I do not.
Mr. Belin.
Do you know anything about him, what he was wearing?

Mr. SAWYER. Except that he was--I don't remember what he was wearing. I remember that he was a white man and that he wasn't young and he wasn't old. He was there. That is the only two things that I can remember about him.
Mr. Belin.
What age would you categorize as young?
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