Mr. Miller.

All railroad tracks go over that particular set of underpass.

Mr. Belin.

Where you were?

Mr. Miller.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

When did you get there?

Mr. Miller.

About 12:15 or 12:20.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember what time the motorcade came by?

Mr. Miller.

No; I don't, not for sure.

Mr. Belin.

About how long after you got there did you see the motorcade?

Mr. Miller.

About 10 or 15 minutes.

Mr. Belin.

Anyone else standing around there that you knew?

Mr. MILLER. Royce Skelton, the boy I work with and an elderly man who is a building maintenance man. By name, I don't know him, but a lot of other employees I have seen in the building other than myself.

Mr. Belin.

Anyone else that you knew?

Mr. Miller.

As far as knowing, no, sir.

Mr. Belin.

You saw other people there?

Mr. Miller.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any police officer around there?

Mr. Miller.

There was one on both sides of the bridge.

Mr. Belin.

Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?

Mr. Miller.

Yes, sir; it came down Main Street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left onto Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as far as I can recall the first shot was fired.

Mr. Belin.

Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?

Mr. MILLER. I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER. After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired or, or sounded like a sound at the time. I didn't know for sure. And it was after that I ,saw some man in the car fall forward, and a woman next to
him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you see?

Mr. MILLER. About that time I turned and looked toward the there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who threw the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked on the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.

Mr. Belin.

You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?

Mr. Miller.

I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.

Mr. Belin.

Where did the shots sound like they came from?

Mr. MILLER. Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him over toward that incline.

Mr. Belin.

Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw.
Mr. MILLER. About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?

Mr. Miller.

No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before?
Mr. MILLER. No, sir; I didn't. We was all standing in one group right at the rail looking over, and the police officer, he was standing about 5 or 10 feet behind us.
Mr. BELIN. Now about how many were there in that group altogether, if you can remember?