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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. V - Page 338« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Abram Chayes Resumed)

Mr. Chayes.
as well as the Bureau of Security and Consular Affairs, and a very and special decision was made.
The subsequent application, the June 1963 application, was handled as a matter of routine.
Representative Ford.
The application in the Embassy for renewal or reissuance, was that handled more expeditiously or less expeditiously than other defector or.attempted defector cases?
Mr. Chayes.
I couldn't say. I couldn't say because I don't have any experience' in it against which to measure it. As I reviewed the file it. seemed to me to be a fairly normal kind of a file for a matter of this kind. When I say "this kind" I don't mean other defectors because I have never seen any of that.
But the reporting seemed full enough, and the response came back in time. But they didn't seem to be accelerated. There were always adequate supporting memorandums indicating consultation within the Department on broad enough basis.
Representative Ford.
How long. did it take from the actual time that he made the application in Moscow until it was finally approved?
Mr. Chayes.
He made the application on----
Mr. Coleman.
This is the passport?
Representative Ford.
Yes; in Moscow.
Mr. Coleman.
He made it July 11, 1961. At that time Mr. Snyder returned to him his existing passport. The new passport, namely the one he got to travel back to the United States, was not issued until May 1962.
Mr. Chayes.
Yes.
Mr. Coleman.
Though the instruction that it could be issued was submitted, sent forward to the Embassy, certainly by the end of 1961.
Mr. Chayes.
Yes; they were submitted subject to the Embassy being satisfied on certain points.
It ought to be stated also that, according to the record at least, the passport was returned to him, in July, July 11. It was marked at that time "good for travel only for direct return to the United States." But the purpose of returning it to him was so that he could apply to the Soviet authorities for an exit document, because he believed and our people in Moscow concurred, that he couldn't get an exit document unless he had a U.S. passport.
Representative Ford.
An exit document for himself?
Mr. Chayes.
For himself.
Mr. Dulles.
I note in this file, looking at your passport file which is very complete, that in his passport application of June 1963 he gives as his approximate date of departure, I assume departure from the United States, as October-December 1963. Is it the practice of the Department to issue passports for persons who are not leaving for 3 or 4 months?
Mr. Chayes.
Oh, yes.
Mr. Dulles.
Anytime?
Mr. Chayes.
Anytime you want a passport, if you are entitled to one, you get it. And you keep it even after you return. I mean if he had used it, gone out of the country and returned, if it is still within what is it, the 3-year period now, the passport is a valid passport and he can depart again in the absence of some action taken looking towards withdrawal so that these are ambulatory documents, and there are many people who Just automatically--I don't say Oswald did this, obviously he didn't, but there are many people who automatically renew their passport when it runs out so that they always have travel documentation.
Representative Ford.
Are there any other defector or attempted defector cases where the person came back and tried to get his passport? How long did it take in those cases to go through this process?
Mr. Chayes.
You mean comparable to the June application?
Representative Ford.
No; I am talking of the Moscow application.
Mr. Chayes.
I think we did submit a report on that. Well, I am sorry, we didn't. We did inquire whether there were any defectors who were the situation of the June application. We found that there was one, and he
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