Mr. Jenner.

Was the subject of curtain rods--had that ever been mentioned during all of these weekends that Lee Oswald had come to your home, commencing, I think you said, with his first return on October 4, 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

It. had not been mentioned.

Mr. Jenner.

Never by anybody?

Mrs. Paine.

By anybody.

Mr. Jenner.

Had the subject of curtain rods been mentioned even inadvertently, let us say, by some neighbor talking about the subject, as to whether

you had some curtain rods you weren't using?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

That might be loaned? I think you had testified that the curtain rods, when unextended, were 36 inches long, approximately?

Mrs. Paine.

That is a guess. I would say, thinking further about it, it must be shorter than that. One went over a window that I am pretty sure was 30 inches wide, and one went over a window that was 42 inches wide, so it had to extend between these. They were identical, and had served at these different windows.

Mr. Jenner.

The rods were identical in length when unextended?

Mrs. Paine.

Or when fully extended; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What?

Mrs. Paine.

Or when fully extended.

Mr. Jenner.

Or when fully extended; yes. They could be extended to as great as 42 inches?

Mrs. Paine.

At least that. I am just saying what windows they were used for.

Mr. Jenner.

If the rods are still available, we will be able to obtain them?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And we will know exactly their length, extended and unextended. Now, as you think further about it, the rods when not extended, that is, when pushed together, might be but 30 inches long?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Because you recall that you have a 30-inch-wide window.

Mrs. Paine.

I believe it is more that width than 36.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you hold up your hands to indicate what you think the width or the length of the rods is when not extended?

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, I don't recall. Maybe like this.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you measure that, Mr. Liebeler, please?

Mr. Liebeler.

About 28 inches.

Mr. Jenner.

I intend to leave the subject of the curtain rods, gentlemen, if you have any questions

Mr. Mccloy.

May I ask a question. Did the FBI question you about the curtain rods any, or the Dallas police officials?

Mrs. Paine.

Not the Dallas police.

Mr. Mccloy.

Not the Dallas police?

Mrs. Paine.

No. It is possible the FBI did. I don't recall such question.

Mr. Mccloy.

They didn't take any rods from the garage that you are aware of?

Mrs. Paine.

You are aware what the police took. I never did know exactly what they took. I have never heard any mention of the reds having left.

Mr. Mccloy.

You are not conscious of the Dallas police ever talking to you about curtain rods?

Mrs. Paine.

Absolutely no.

Mr. Mccloy.

But possibly some member of the FBI did?

Mrs. Paine.

Possibly. I can't recall.

Mr. Mccloy.

You can't recall?

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever mention to the FBI anything, or anybody else up until recently, the existence of the curtain reds about which you have now testified?

Mrs. Paine.

I have already said Michael and I discussed it.

Mr. Jenner.

When?

Mrs. Paine.

A week or two after the assassination would be my guess.

Mr. Jenner.

And did you discuss those particular curtain rods about which you have now testified?