Mr. Jenner.

Perhaps I may well have deferred that question until after I asked you the next.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did any event occur the following day with respect to this telephone call?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; Lee called--

Mr. Jenner.

What was it?

Mrs. Paine.

Lee called at the house and asked for Marina. I was in the kitchen where the phone is while Marina talked with him, she clearly was upset, and angry, and when she hung up--

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, did you overhear this conversation?

Mrs. Paine.

I overheard the conversation but I can't tell you specific content.

Mr. Jenner.

Please, Mrs. Paine, would you do your very best to recall what was said?

Mrs. Paine.

I can tell you what she said to me which was immediately after, which is what I definitely recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Thank you.

Mrs. Paine.

She said immediately he didn't like her trying to reach him at the phone in his room at Dallas yesterday. That he was angry with her for having tried to reach him. That he said he was using a different name, and she said, "This isn't the first time I felt 22 fires," a Russian expression.

Mr. Jenner.

This is something she said?

Mrs. Paine.

She said this. This is not the first time, but it was the first time she had mentioned it to me.

Mr. Jenner.

Give her exact words to me again.

Mrs. Paine.

When she felt 22 fires.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the expression she used?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you understand what she meant or, if not, did you ask for an explanation?

Mrs. Paine.

I did not ask for an explanation. I judged she meant, she disagreed with his using a different name, but didn't feel like, empowered to make him do otherwise or even perhaps ask to as a wife.

Mr. Dulles.

How long a conversation was this. Was it---

Mrs. Paine.

Fairly short.

Mr. Dulles.

Fairly short.

Mrs. Paine.

That is my recollection.

Representative Ford.

What day of the month and what day of the week was this?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, reconstructing it, I thought they succeeded each other, the original call to the WH number on Monday and his call back on Tuesday.

Representative Ford.

When he called back it was late in the afternoon or early evening,?

Mrs. Paine.

It was the normal time for him to call back, early evening, around 5:30.

Mr. Jenner.

You have a definite impression she was angry when she hung up?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was she abrupt in her hanging up. Did she hang up on him?

Mrs. Paine.

No; she was angry, she was upset.

Mr. Jenner.

And her explanation of her being upset was that he used the assumed name?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, she didn't explain it as such, but she said he had used it.

Mr. Jenner.

He was angry with her because you had made the call?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Or she had made it through you?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did any further discussion take place between you and Marina on that subject?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. The following day he did not call at the usual time.

Mr. Jenner.

That would be the following day, the 20th?

Mrs. Paine.

I believe that was a Wednesday and that is how I slipped a day.

Mr. Jenner.

He didn't call at all on the succeeding day?