Yes.
Dr. PERRY. Well, I went immediately to the emergency room again, Jones and I who also was in the hospital again, and told me that I was the only attending surgeon present, and that they were bringing Mr. Oswald out, and I was in the surgery suite and I went directly to the emergency room just as he was being brought indoors.

Mr. Specter.

At approximately what time was that?
Dr. PERRY. I really don't know, sir. It was about 11:15 or so when I was up in surgery. I had been seeing a baby in regard to an operation we had scheduled at 1 o'clock and then Dr. Jones came after me.

Mr. Specter.

How long did it take you approximately to travel from the point where you received the notice that he was en route until your arrival at the emergency room?
Dr. PERRY. No more than 2 or 3 minutes.

Mr. Specter.

And you say you arrived there simultaneously with Mr. Oswald?
Dr. PERRY. Just as he came in.

Mr. Specter.

Precisely where in the hospital was it where you met Oswald?
Dr. PERRY. He was brought into the emergency room, trauma room number two, and as they wheeled him in I came around the corner.

Mr. Specter.

What action did you take with respect to Mr. Oswald?
Dr. PERRY. Well, there were numerous people in attendance, more so than on the previous incident on Friday. He also obviously was quite seriously injured. He was cyanotic, very blue and although he also was attempting respirations, they were not effective, and an endotracheal tube was placed in him by one of the anesthesiologists, I think Dr. Jenkins, and I examined his chest and noted the entrance point of the bullet wound on the left side and I could feel the bullet just under the skin on the right side, right rear margin, indicating the bullet had passed entirely through his body and come to rest under the skin.

Mr. Specter.

Where through his body?
Dr. PERRY. I beg your pardon sir, the bullet entered approximately the midaxillary line at about the 9th or 10th interspace on the left side of the chest cage, and came to rest just under the rib margin on the right side under the skin

Mr. Specter.

Could you supply in lay language what cyanotic means?
Dr. PERRY. Blue from lack of oxygen.

Mr. Specter.

Could you explain in lay language the midaxillary line?
Dr. PERRY. It is about the mid portion of the fold extending down from the armpit on the left. This is just rough because I glanced at that briefly and determined the nature of the path of the bullet and from looking at him it was obvious that this had traversed major structures in his body in order to reach that particular place, so while a cutdown was being done again to administer fluid, I asked someone to put in a left chest tube on him because it appeared it went in and I recalled surgery until they were bringing him directly up.
Dr. Tom Shires, Chief of the Surgical Services, came into the door at a point and Dr. McClelland, and we left and went to surgery to change clothes and they brought him from there immediately to surgery and we proceeded with the operation.

Mr. Specter.

Who was present, if anyone, with Mr. Oswald at the time you arrived there?
Dr. PERRY. In the emergency room?

Mr. Specter.

Yes.
Dr. PERRY. Dr. Jenkins was there, Dr. M. T. Jenkins Chief of Anesthesiology.
I think Dr. Giesecke was also there again, although I am not sure of that. I saw Dr. Risk who is a resident in urology and I saw Dr. Dulany who is a resident in surgery. Dr. Boland, I believe who is a resident in thoracic surgery and, of course, Dr. Jones and myself, and there were several other people, the nurses, I don't recall.

Mr. Specter.

Will you describe briefly the physical layout utilized in taking

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