Mr. Mccloy.

I put down here that was the last time you had seen him until November 16th.

Mr. Truly.

For the record, if I said that, that is wrong. I meant October 16th.

The Chairman.

Which was the next morning?

Mr. Truly.

That was the next morning after he was told to come to work.

Mr. Dulles.

Do you recall, Mr. Truly, whether you hired any personnel for work in this particular building, in the School Depository, after the 15th of October and before the 22d of November?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; I don't recall hiring anyone else other than Oswald for that building the same day that I hired Oswald. I believe, if I am not mistaken, I hired another boy for a temporary job, and put him in the other warehouse at 1917 North Houston.

Mr. Dulles.

At a different warehouse?

Mr. Truly.

At a different warehouse. He was laid off November 15th, I believe November 15th, or something like that.

Mr. Dulles.

What I was getting at is whether an accomplice could have gotten in in that way. That is why I was asking the question.

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; I don't recall. Actually, the end of our fall rush--if it hadn't existed a week or 2 weeks longer, or if we had not been using some of our regular boys putting down this plywood, we would not have had any need for Lee Oswald at that time, which is a tragic thing for me to think about.

Mr. Mccloy.

Mr. Truly, while Oswald was in your employ, did you have any inquiries made of you by any of the United States agencies, such as FBI, regarding him?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; nothing ever.

Mr. Dulles.

Did Oswald mention to you anything about his trip to Russia and return from Russia?

Mr. Truly.

No, sir; he did not. He just told me that he just recently was
discharged from the Marines with an honorable discharge. And I suppose that if he had had some background of a few jobs, skipping here and there, I might have investigated those jobs thoroughly.

Mr. Dulles.

He did not tell you about those short-time jobs he had?

Mr. Truly.

No. The thing is I thought he was just discharged from the service, and we have worked with boys in the past, and they have gone on and got on their feet and got a better job. And I did not give it a thought that he was really just not discharged from the Marines.

Mr. Belin.

Mr. Truly, you mentioned the fact that you thought Jack Dougherty was the one operating that west elevator. Is that correct?

Mr. Truly.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Could you tell us a little bit about Jack Dougherty?

Mr. Truly.

Jack Dougherty has been working for us 12 or 14 years. Until we moved into this building, he has been mostly in our State Department, the building at 1917 North Houston. He would fill orders for--that called for many cartons of books on a three-textbook-order basis to the various schools in Texas. And he seemed to be intelligent and smart and a hard worker. The main thing is he just worked all the time.
I have never had any occasion to have any hard words for Jack. A few times he would get a little bit---maybe do a little something wrong, and I would mention it to him, and he would just go to pieces--not anything--but anything the rest of the day or the next day would not be right. [Deletion.] He is a great big husky fellow. I think he is 39 years old. He has never been married. He has no interest in women. He gets flustered, has a small word for it, at times. He has never had any trouble. He is a good, loyal, hard working employee. He always has been.

Mr. Belin.

Would you _consider him of average intelligence?

Mr. Truly.

Yes, sir. I think what is wrong with him mostly is his emotional makeup. I would say that for the work he is doing, he is of average intelligence.