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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. III - Page 107« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine Resumed)

Mrs. Paine.
I understand what is said, but it doesn't check strictly with my recollection, that is the confusion.
Mr. Jenner.
What the agent is reporting is your report of what Lonny Hudkins had said to you, and your report to the agent of your response to what Lonny Hudkins had said to you. Do we have it now in the proper posture?
Mrs. Paine.
This is by no means an accurate description of the conversation or my response.
Mr. Jenner.
You don't have to accept this report, of course, Mrs. Paine. Tell us what occurred in that interview?
Mrs. Paine.
All right.
Mr. Jenner.
What you said and what Agent Odum said to you.
Mrs. Paine.
Oh, I don't recall that so well. I was going to tell you what I said to Hudkins. I do recall this, and it may be the foundation for what appears in your report there. I made no comment on Mr. Hudkins saying that there was a Joe Hosty, and that this agent had been in contact with Oswald. I observed that Hudkins had inaccurate information.
Mr. Jenner.
Didn't you tell the agent what this reporter had said to you that was inaccurate, to wit, that the reporter had stated to you that the FBI was foolish to deny that Agent Hosty had tried to develop Lee Harvey Oswald as an informant?
Mrs. Paine.
What is totally inaccurate is the following, that implies that I made no comment to Hudkins regarding such a remark.
Mr. Jenner.
No please, that has not been suggested. I am trying to take this chronologically. Did you first report to the agent that Hudkins had said to you that the FBI was foolish to deny that Agent Joseph Hosty had tried to develop Lee Harvey Oswald as an informant.
Mrs. Paine.
Certainly what Hudkins said was of this nature.
Mr. Jenner.
And you so reported to the agent?
Mrs. Paine.
Yes.
Mr. Jenner.
Then did you make the further remark, which is what I think you are trying to say, that you made no comment one way or the other to Hudkins when he made that remark, his remark to you?
Mrs. Paine.
I made a great deal of comment and I will say what those comments were.
Mr. Jenner.
You did to the reporter.
Mrs. Paine.
To the reporter, yes.
Mr. Jenner.
Please say what you said, and did you report this to the FBI, Mr. Odum?
Mrs. Paine.
Inadequately clearly, judging from the---
Mr. Jenner.
Why don't you do it this way?
Mrs. Paine.
Yes I reported it.
Mr. Jenner.
Let us have first what you said to the FBI agent on the subject?
Mrs. Paine.
I can't recall what I said to the FBI agent. It is much easier for me to recall what I said to Hudkins. But I do recall clearly that I said to the FBI agent "I made no correction of his inaccuracies about Hosty's name."
This is where I made no comment.
Mr. Jenner.
I am at a loss now.
Mrs. Paine.
Joe is not his name.
Mr. Jenner.
I see. His name is James?
Mrs. Paine.
Yes.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you indicate to the agent that you had raised an issue with the reporter?
Mrs. Paine.
He also spelled it with an "i", Hudkins.
Mr. Jenner.
With respect to the other phase, that is to what the reporter had said to you.
Mrs. Paine.
I would guess that I reported to Mr. Odum other things about---
Mr. Jenner.
Present recollections Mrs. Paine.
Mrs. Paine.
I don't recall the particular conversation with Mr. Odum at all. I talked with him a great deal.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you deny this state to Mr. Hudkins, the reporter?
Mrs. Paine.
To Mr. Hudkins?
Mr. Jenner.
Did you say to him that you did not agree with his statement?
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