Mr. Specter.

Indicating the rear portion of the head.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

More to the right side of the head?

Mr. Kellerman.

Right. This was removed.

Mr. Specter.

When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?

Mr. Kellerman.

The skull part was removed.

Mr. Specter.

All right.

Representative Ford.

Above the ear and back?

Mr. Kellerman.

To the left of the ear, sir, and a little high; yes. About right in here.

Mr. Specter.

When you say "removed," by that do you mean that it was absent when you saw him, or taken off by the doctor?

Mr. Kellerman.

It was absent when I saw him.

Mr. Specter.

Fine. Proceed.

Mr. Kellerman.

Entry into this man's head was right below that wound, right here.

Mr. Specter.

Indicating the bottom of the hairline immediately to the right of the ear about the lower third of the ear?

Mr. Kellerman.

Right. But it was in the hairline, sir.

Mr. Specter.

In his hairline?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Near the end of his hairline?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

What was the size of that aperture?

Mr. Kellerman.

The little finger.

Mr. Specter.

Indicating the diameter of the little finger.

Mr. Kellerman.

Right.

Mr. Specter.

Now, what was the position of that opening with respect to the portion of the skull which you have described as being removed or absent?

Mr. Kellerman.

Well, I am going to have to describe it similar to this. Let's say part of your skull is removed here; this is below.

Mr. Specter.

You have described a distance of approximately an inch and a half, 2 inches, below.

Mr. Kellerman.

That is correct; about that, sir.

Mr. Specter.

All right. What other wounds, if any, did you notice on the President?

Mr. Kellerman.

The other wound that I noticed was on his shoulder.

Mr. Specter.

Which shoulder.

Mr. Kellerman.

Right shoulder.

Mr. Specter.

And was it--what was its general position with respect to the breadth of the back?

Mr. Kellerman.

Right straight.

Mr. Specter.

No. Upper shoulder, lower shoulder; how far below the lower neckline would you say?

Mr. Kellerman.

The upper neckline, sir, in that large muscle between the shoulder and the neck, just below it.

Mr. Specter.

What was the size of that opening?

Mr. Kellerman.

Again about the size of a little finger.

Mr. Specter.

Now, have you described three wounds which you have observed?

Mr. Kellerman.

That is three. The fourth one I will have to collaborate with--the medical people in Dallas said that he had entry in the throat or an exit.

Mr. Specter.

Now, you are indicating a part on the throat right underneath your tie as you sit there, the knot of your tie.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Who told you that?

Mr. Kellerman.

This comes from a report from Dr. Kemp Clark.

Mr. Specter.

Did you talk to Dr. Clark personally?

Mr. Kellerman.

I did not. This is a written report.

Mr. Specter.

This is a written report which you have read?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes; that is right.