Mrs. Paine.

she was, and I felt meeting alone with her would make an opportunity both to speak the language and to find out what sort of person she was.

Mr. Mccloy.

Go on. Did you have any further motivation for that wish? Did you take any dislike to him?

Mrs. Paine.

Not an active dislike, but I didn't like him. I think we can say that.

Mr. Jenner.

And you gathered that impression the evening of February 22?

Mrs. Paine.

It is very hard to know whether I gathered it then or in terms told me then after we met, and I will outline them.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; we will get into those.

Mrs. Paine.

I would say it was more formed later.

Mr. Jenner.

And in your responding to Mr. McCloy's question you were attempting to transport yourself back to that particular occasion and not be affected by the course of events that had taken place in the meantime, am I correct about that?

Mrs. Paine.

I tried to.

Mr. Jenner.

To the best of your ability. Tell us a little more, then, to the extent you have a recollection what occurred and what was said in the park on that occasion.

Mrs. Paine.

Well, I recall that we talked, and, as I said, it may be the first visit or it may have been the first and the second melded in my mind. She said that she was expecting a baby. She said that Lee didn't want her to learn English. He was not encouraging her to learn English or helping her with it, that he spoke only Russian to her and to their baby June. And she told me--now, let me say that my calendar does show a notation on the 20th of March, it says, "Marina" and I judge I went again to see her at her home on that day, or brought her to my house, I am not certain which. But I judge, also, that this was the second visit.

Mr. Jenner.

I Suggest that you might have melded these a moment ago. Now I wish you would keep these apart for the moment.

Mrs. Paine.

So far as I can.

Mr. Jenner.

And stick with the occasion in the park first and exhaust your recollection.

Mrs. Paine.

Well, I was impressed, talking with her in the park, with what I felt to be her need to have a friend. This was virtually our first meeting, but she confided to me something that she didn't want generally known among the Russian segment.

Mr. Jenner.

That was her pregnancy?

Mrs. Paine.

Of Dallas. She inquired of me, a young woman, about birth control methods, and she said that she felt-- ell, clearly this pregnancy had surprised her, but she said that she didn't believe in abortion, and didn't want to consider such a course.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you exhausted your recollection?

Mrs. Paine.

That is all I recall; yes.
I do not recall whether it was this time or the next time, it may well have been the next time, that she told me that--

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, please.

Mrs. Paine.

All right, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

I would like to stick with this. When Mrs. Oswald, this is your first visit, she related to you and said that her husband did not wish her to acquire any command of the English language, what did you say? Did you express yourself in some fashion as to why? Didn't that seem curious to you?

Mrs. Paine.

I likely said that--

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

It is best you don't guess. Give us your best recollection.

Mrs. Paine.

My best recollection is that she did most of the talking because she could. My Russian was bad enough that if she talked I was happy.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you feel any embarrassment because you were----

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, a terrible embarrassment.