Mr. Specter.

(Question read.)

Mr. Specter.

Would you like to start the question again or would you like the question repeated?

Mr. Rowland.

I understand the question.
Let me see, the exact time I do not remember, but the man, the colored man, was in that window until the procession reached Commerce I mean Main, and Ervay. I was looking back quite often, as I stated.

Mr. Specter.

How do you fix the time that he was there until the procession reached the intersection of Commerce and Ervay?

Mr. Rowland.

The police motorcycle was almost in front of me with the speaker on very loud, giving the relative position about every 15 or 20 seconds of the motorcade, and this is how I was able to note that.

Mr. Specter.

Were you observing the window which you marked "A" at the time he departed?

Mr. Rowland.

No, I didn't. I just know, I was looking at the crowd around. and then I glanced back up again, and neither did I see the man with the rifle nor did I see him. The colored man went away.

Mr. Specter.

How long was that after you first noticed the colored man in the window "A"?

Mr. Rowland.

Fifteen minutes.

Mr. Specter.

Had you looked back at window "A" at any time during that 15 minute interval?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Had you seen anybody in window "A" during that time?

Mr. Rowland.

The colored man was that--

Mr. Specter.

So how many times did you notice him altogether?

Mr. Rowland.

Several. I think I looked back about two, maybe three times a minute, an average. I was, you know, trying to find the man with the rifle to point him out to my wife. I noticed the colored man in that window. I looked at practically every window in the building but I didn't look at anything with the detail to see what I was looking for.

Mr. Specter.

Over how long a time span did you observe the Negro man to be in the window marked "A"?

Mr. Rowland.

He was there before I noticed the man with the rifle and approximately 12:30 or when the motorcade was at Main and Ervay he was gone when I looked back and I had looked up there about 30 seconds before or a minute before.

Mr. Specter.

How long after you heard the motorcade was at Main and Ervay did the motorcade pass by where you were?

Mr. Rowland.

Another 5 minutes.

Mr. Specter.

So that you observed this colored man on the window you have marked "A" within 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade passed in front of you?

Mr. Rowland.

Approximately 5 minutes prior to the time the motorcade came, he wasn't there. About 30 seconds or a minute prior to that time he was there.

Mr. Specter.

A few moments ago in your testimony you stated that in observing policemen in the area you had observed some officers on the overpass?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Approximately how far were you from the overpass at that time?

Mr. Rowland.

125 yards approximately.

Mr. Specter.

Were you able to observe with clarity the individuals who were standing on the overpass?

Mr. Rowland.

Not with detailed distinction. I do remember there were three women there, two or three men, a couple of boys, and two officers on the overpass itself.

Mr. Specter.

How did you identify the officers as being policemen?

Mr. Rowland.

They were uniformed officers.

Mr. Specter.

What kind of uniforms were they wearing?

Mr. Rowland.

Blue; I think trimmed in gold, uniforms.

Mr. Specter.

Are those the regular uniforms worn by the Dallas police?

Mr. Rowland.

Yes.