Mr. Pullman.

down on the line,and say, "Yes; I want you to do this or that." He was very erratic. Every night he ran the place on a different basis.

Mr. Griffin.

When did she start to work for him?

Mr. Pullman.

I think it was--I'm not sure, but I believe it was in July.

Mr. Griffin.

In 1953?

Mr. Pullman.

1.963.

Mr. Griffin.

And how long did she continue to work for him?

Mr. Pullman.

I think--about 6 or 8 weeks.

Mr. Griffin.

And how did she happen to leave?

Mr. Pullman.

She didn't happen to leave---it was just too confusing--the confusion was constant and she couldn't do things the way they should be run because she had a pretty good idea of how to run a club and she would try to help him and it seemed like he didn't want to accept any help as far as his operations were concerned and he wanted to do it all himself.

Mr. Griffin.

So, what actually, did she wind up doing for him?

Mr. Pullman.

Just being a general hostess and seating people and trying to be of service to whover came in--that was all; and I used to come up there evenings and spend a couple of hours and we got real close--real friendly. And I watched the way he operated and I knew his personality very quickly--he was very hot tempered and I was there one night when he personally threw someone out because he had said something derogatory about Kennedy.

Mr. Griffin.

When was that?

Mr. Pullman.

It was during the time my wife worked there and I also found in talking to him that he couldn't take anybody who was going to talk against Kennedy or the administration or the Government. Later I learned from other people that he felt the same way about Roosevelt.

Mr. Griffin.

On this one instance, what specifically was said on the occasion when he threw somebody out?

Mr. Pullman.

It was about--the MC was making some remark about Barry Goldwater and some other things like that, and someone made some derogatory remarks about Kennedy--I don't remember the exact words--and he didn't like what he said about Kennedy.

Mr. Griffin.

Did the person use profanity?

Mr. Pullman.

No profanity--just the fact that he didn't have respect--he didn't respect the President. That was one of the incidents. Then, there was an incident pretty close to the time it was in November and we had a Texas Product Show and, of course, I hadn't seen him in some time up until that particular time and he called me--he had come up with this twistboard and I was showing a bunch of inventions that I had at this Texas Product Show that I had on display there.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was the Texas Product Show set up?

Mr. Pullman.

At the Exhibit Hall out on Stemmons Expressway.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that out at the Trade Mart?

Mr. Pullman.

No; but it's pretty close about a block up from the Trade Mart.

Mr. Griffin.

What month was this?

Mr. Pullman.

That was in November--the early part of November--I think it was the first week in November, and that's when he contacted me. It seemed very coincidental--I hadn't heard from him in months and he called me and he told me he had this twistboard and he needed some idea as to how to merchandise it or what to do with it, and he was always running into various things. He had this English razor blade that he was even trying to sell some of them in his club.

Mr. Griffin.

Wilkenson blades?

Mr. Pullman.

Wilkenson blades; and when he called me about the twistboard, I had just been ready to go in to show him all my new ideas--products--at the show, and he thought it might be a good idea to tie the two together and that's how I got closely associated with him for a week.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he do with his twistboard at the Texas Product Show?

Mr. Pullman.

I showed it in my space and he would even come down and demonstrate it himself and sell it. I asked him to send some of the girls down and demonstrate it--this twistboard that he had there exotic dancers down