Mr. Hubert.

backed partially into the ramp, that a police car, which I think you said was a Ford, came around and backed up in front of the armored truck, isn't that correct?

Mr. Goin.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now you observed that yourself? Did you see it happen?

Mr. Goin.

Partially; if not all the way. I don't recall exactly if I was in the armored truck when this happened, or standing beside it.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, do I understand you to say that you are not sure whether you actually saw it, but that you ultimately saw it in that position?

Mr. Goin.

I am sure I saw it moving either in a rear view mirror or was standing beside the truck and saw it, because I was observing as much as I could.

Mr. Hubert.

How long after you had arrived at the parking position originally did this Ford police car back up in front of the large truck?

Mr. Goin.

I can't give you an answer to that, I am sorry.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you been there some considerable time?

Mr. Goin.

I can't really say.

Mr. Hubert.

How far were you--I think you have already stated you were two car lengths from the exit?

Mr. Goin.

If I remember, approximately a couple car lengths.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there another police car in front of you, or back of you parked in the same manner as you?

Mr. Goin.

I think before we left there was another police car that moved in front of us, I believe, as a lead position. Because as I recall us leaving, he was in front of us, or at least we started out moving and he was in front of us.

Mr. Hubert.

Well now, I understand then that there was another police car in addition to the Ford that backed up in front of the large truck, that came and placed itself in front of you, is that correct?

Mr. Goin.

I believe there was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did that car come before or after the first police car came?

Mr. Goin.

I can't be sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you double parked? I mean, were there cars parked on your left along the curbing?

Mr. Goin.

I believe there were.

Mr. Hubert.

When you first drove up, who gave you instructions as to where to stop?

Mr. Goin.

There was policemen on duty in the street.

Mr. Hubert.

And they told you where to stop?

Mr. Goin.

Yes. I am sure that we were double parked and there were other cars on the side.

Mr. Hubert.

On your left?

Mr. Goin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there another car double parked in front of you when you first drove up?

Mr. Goin.

I don't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you say that the larger truck backed in into the exit. You must have been ahead of it, isn't that so? Otherwise it would have had to back around you if it had been ahead of you, isn't that so?

Mr. Goin.

I. believe I followed the larger car. In the trend of thinking back, I believe that I followed the larger car.

Mr. Hubert.

When your larger truck backed into the Commerce Street exit, was it in front of you or in back of you?

Mr. Goin.

Well, if I followed it to the office, it must have been in front, though I can't remember distinctly that part of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Mr. Dietrich ever leave the smaller truck that you were in with him?

Mr. Goin.

I believe he walked down beside the truck with me.

Mr. Hubert.

But no more than that?

Mr. Goin.

No; not that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall Mr. Fleming coming out and giving you instructions at any time as to what to?

Mr. Goin.

No; I don't.