Mr. Hubert.

On the average, how often did you see him a year, for instance?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I would see him, oh, maybe anywhere from three to six times a year.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have other contacts with him by phone or otherwise?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; we talked to him on the phone on different occasions. There was nothing important--I mean--just about maybe something about his family or how he was doing or inquire about the children.

Mr. Hubert.

What about your relationship with his sister, Mrs. Eva Grant?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, I have seen her more often and we are off and on like brothers and sisters and we argue at different times and maybe in a week or so we'll forget about it and make up. 'She has her own views on things.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to see Jack during the period September 25 through November 24, 1963?

Mr. Ruby.

September--you say?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes--September 25, yes, I believe I did. I may have seen him at the club one night and then on one occasion, I remember it was the week of Halloween, because the man I was working for went out of town and Jack called me he called me I don't know whether he called me or my wife called me, and wanted me to go to Fort Worth with him to look at this twistboard factory which he was handling as a distributor at that time and I wasn't too anxious to go, but he insisted and he said maybe if that distributing business went all right, he would like me to become interested in that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go with him then?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I did. I had some work but I thought I could make it up either later in the day or the following day--just repairing washing machines. I was working for a man ,that had three washaterias at the time and I took a ride with him to Fort Worth to see this manufacturing plant.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you enter into the venture with Jack?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know to what extent he did?

Mr. Ruby.

No; he told me that he was a distributor for these boards and he was thinking maybe of going into the manufacture of them.

Mr. Hubert.

When did he .tell you that?

Mr. Ruby.

At that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether your brother Earl had any interest in it?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know to this moment whether he does?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Jack never mentioned that Earl might be interested?

Mr. Ruby.

No---no; he never mentioned one way or the other whether Earl would be interested.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall whether you had any contact whatsoever with Jack during the periods, say, from the 16th of November through the 24th of November--that would be about the week before the President died until Oswald was shot?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I think he called me on the phone a few times and wanted me to go visit my sister Eva in the hospital.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go?

Mr. Ruby.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, do you remember any other contacts between you and Jack other than the one you just mentioned concerning visiting your sister in the hospital?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, he may have called me twice on the phone. I didn't see him during that period. The last time I saw him was the week of Halloween--it was on a Wednesday, I believe.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, then, the last time you saw him was before Oswald was shot?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

That was approximately a month or 4 weeks before Oswald was shot?

Mr. Ruby.

That's right;before.