Mr. Ruby.

Family.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Harry C. Futterman?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, that is my wife's brother-in-law. He is married to my wife's sister.

Mr. Hubert.

What does he do for a living?

Mr. Ruby.

He worked for the post office until he retired a few years ago, and now he works for a brother-in-law of his who is in the lumber business.

Mr. Hubert.

Where does he live?

Mr. Ruby.

He lives at 7209 Northeast Prairie, in Lincolnwood, Ill.

Mr. Hubert.

Lincoln?

Mr. Ruby.

Wood.

Mr. Hubert.

Lincolnwood?

Mr. Ruby.

A suburb of Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Colley Sullivan?

Mr. Ruby.

Colley Sullivan?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ruby.

No, no, it doesn't register at all.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Dominick or Dominic Scorta or Siorta?

Mr. Ruby.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man by the name of Anesi Umberto?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, I think that is the one.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about him.

Mr. Ruby.

I am trying to think. I did business with--no, that is another name. I know a fellow by the name of Mario Anesi.

Mr. Hubert.

And who is he?

Mr. Ruby.

He is the fellow that used to make all our tools and dies in Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

Tools and dies for the Earl Products?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes, I thought that is who you were talking about. Anesi Umberto, no, I don't know him.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a Mario Umberto?

Mr. Ruby.

Maybe that is the same fellow. I know him by Mario Anesi.

Mr. Hubert.

A-n-e-s-i?

Mr. Ruby.

I don't know how you spell his name. I am not even sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you seen or had any contact with this gentleman in the last year or so?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. In fact, he was just here, he was just in Detroit for the tool convention or whatever they call them, and he called me just to say hello, because he has tools and dies of mine in his place yet, old things, you know.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was just in the last few weeks, I gather.

Mr. Ruby.

Yes. That was about a month ago. That is all.

Mr. Hubert.

Prior to that contact with him, when was the next previous contact?

Mr. Ruby.

Well, he makes the camera shutters, camera shutter parts for me, and I saw him in Chicago a little more than a year ago. I stopped in to discuss changing--it is probably a year-and-a-half ago---changing the die for one of the parts.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you had any telephone conversations with him in that interval, during that period?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; I think I did.

Mr. Hubert.

What would it have been about?

Mr. Ruby.

Only about tools and dies. In fact, I tried to sell him the tools and dies for the nameplate.

Mr. Hubert.

When was that?

Mr. Ruby.

Right after I took it over from Mr. Oliff.

Mr. Hubert.

It would have been about a little over 2 years ago?

Mr. Ruby.

Yes; and then I would have to talk to him once in awhile about ordering the pars, if I were in Chicago I would call him and tell him what I need or something like that. But I know him as Mario Anesi.

Mr. Hubert.

And you do know as far as your memory serves you, either a person called Anesi Umberto or a person called Mario Umberto?

Mr. Ruby.

No.