Mr. Senator.

out and I first stated to work for him, and I was living with him. You see what I mean?

Mr. Griffin.

This is March or April of 1962?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say either February, March, or April, something like that. I don't remember that I was living with him, because previous to that I still didn't see him any more than I ever did in the past.

Mr. Griffin.

And up to this time were there other people in Dallas whom you saw more frequently than Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, the only time I saw Jack is when I ever met him anywheres, if I should run across him anywheres, or once in a while I would go up to his club, that was all, and it has never been anything but that up until that time.

Mr. Griffin.

Who did you see more frequently or on a more social basis?

Mr. Senator.

Actually I couldn't see him frequently. Before that I was traveling. See, I was traveling. I wasn't home every weekend. There were times when I was traveling, there were times I might miss a week from coming home. It all depends on the location you are if you are too far from home. Then other times I might be gone two or three. It all depends, you know.

Mr. Griffin.

What I want to get some idea of is up until this period that you moved in with Jack in 1962, who were the. people that you saw on a social basis?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I have seen Bill Downey. What I want to impress you, these people I don't see every day, or like, you know, say I see them today, tomorrow, the next day, and things like that. On rare occasions I saw Don Tuber. That time on rare occasions I saw Jim Martin. These were all rare, mind you, them see, I did more meeting. I met a lot of people at the Burgundy Room most of the time. In other words, somebody has a favorite hangout.

Mr. Griffin.

And that Burgundy Room was yours?

Mr. Senator.

This is mine.

Mr. Griffin.

For how long has it been your favorite hangout?

Mr. Senator.

Ever since I came to Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

This is a place you would go almost every day?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say more so than any other place.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you go there almost every day?

Mr. Senator.

No, not every day, no.

Mr. Griffin.

Two or three times a week?

Mr. Senator.

I would say yes, sure, and I always met some friends there after they all get out from work a lot of people always gathered, transient or local, from 5 on.

Mr. Griffin.

The Burgundy Room to you is sort of what a private club would be to a wealthier man?

Mr. Senator.

That is of that nature, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And there were certain other people who used to hang around there?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack Ruby one of the people?

Mr. Senator.

No. I have only seen Jack go in there that I can remember twice, but he never sat down and had a drink. In and out. Walked in. Jack is not a drinking man.

Mr. Griffin.

So would it be fair to say that for recreation and pastime----

Mr. Senator.

Just as one of my hangouts.

Mr. Griffin.

You would go to the Burgundy Room and have a few beers, a few drinks?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. Whoever walked in. I had many friends who walked in. Whoever walked in, there is many girls that I knew, many fellows that I knew.

Mr. Griffin.

But you are not a man who spends his spare time----

Mr. Senator.

Not particularly, no.

Mr. Griffin.

Playing golf or tennis?

Mr. Senator.

No. I'll tell you--the only habit I got is I like to cook, this is my golf or what somebody else would do, or whatever he may recreate in--I used to like to piddle around in the kitchen. That is why Jack Ruby didn't like me. You are not writing that?

Mr. Griffin.

You mean that you like to experiment with food?