Mr. Hubert.

And you left and went to Jim Martin's?

Mr. Senator.

I believe we went ,to Jim Martin's house. I think that I slept there that first night.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you meet anyone else that first night or speak to anyone else that first night, that is November the 24th, 1963?

Mr. Senator.

November 24?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Are you talking about Friday?

Mr. Hubert.

No; November 24 was a Sunday.

Mr. Senator.

No; because I was wrapped up. I was wrapped up in the courthouse all that day.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean to say after you left the beer parlor., which I think you said was the TV Bar?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You said you think you went to Jim Martin's house?

Mr. Senator.

I don’t remember if I met Tom Howard. I Just don't remember the incident but I am almost certain that I went there to sleep.

Mr. Hubert.

You went to Jim Martin's house?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am asking you is that prior to the time----

Mr. Senator.

Did we meet anybody else?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so. I don't remember but I don't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's come then to Monday morning. What happened then?

Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Hubert, if you can let me interrupt you here before you get to Monday morning.
When you met with Martin at the TV Bar, did you all talk about Jack Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; there was discussion of it, that there and the events. Of course, he asked me what happened after I got in there. I told him. This detective, I guess, I just don't remember who the man was, they interrogated me and I told them the FBI interrogated me.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Martin say anything to you about Jack?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so. I don't remember. I don't think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he indicate whether or not he had seen Jack while you were being interrogated by the police?

Mr. Senator.

If I remember right, I think he said he seen him at a glance behind us, I think it was the same window that I saw. They had him in this room there and I think there were three or four men there, something like that, but there was this glass partition. In other words, you could see in. I think he saw him. I am not sure but I think he saw him.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Tom Howard at the TV Bar at that time?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember. I remember there was Jim, there was this other attorney, but I don't remember if Tom was or not. In other words, I don't want to quote and say he was or wasn't because I just don't remember. He may have been now. He may have been there. I just can't think if he was or not that night. He may have been.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what your conversation was about at the TV Bar?

Mr. Senator.

No; of course, I told him--he asked me what happened, you, know. I told him I was interrogated by the local police and the FBI.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk about Jack's defense?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Now Saturday night, the 23d, you spent some time with Bill Downey and Mike Barclay?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you see them?

Mr. Senator.

We were sitting at a bar.

Mr. Griffin.

Which bar was that?

Mr. Senator.

I think we were in the Burgundy Room and then we went to another one there and had I think either one or two beers and then we went home. At least I went home anyhow.