Mr. Hubert.

I don't understand your answer. Pardon me. You wouldn't think of anything such as what?

Mr. Senator.

To me he wasn't connected with anybody whatsoever of any nature.

Mr. Hubert.

You think that now and you have always thought that, is that correct?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he wasn't connected with anyone.

Mr. Hubert.

Therefore, your fears could not have been based upon the thought that anyone that he was connected with would want to hurt you, obviously, since you never thought that he had any connections?

Mr. Senator.

No; he didn't have any. Let me put it this way. Even today I still have a certain fear. Now you ask me what I fear today, I don't know. This is something you just don't erase out of your mind, that is all. This is not a little thing; this is a big thing.

Mr. Hubert.

After that Sunday night when you talked to the lawyers for awhile, you went home I understand to Jim Martin's?

Mr. Senator.

If I remember right, I'm not sure but I think Jim put me up because I was afraid to go home and I didn't have a place to go to. If I remember right I think he did. I think I went to his apartment, his home rather.

Mr. Hubert.

I am moving to the next few days, Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you ever given any consideration to the thought or to the possibility that someone else might have been associated with Jack Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

In the killing of Oswald?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

I am not asking you whether you ever believed such a thing but whether you ever explored. that possibility in your own mind?

Mr. Senator.

No; never could think of anything such as that. Jack was a true American. He loved his country. This is for sure. He loved the land that he lived in as I have told you.

Mr. Griffin.

You indicated before that there were a lot of things Jack didn't talk to you about.

Mr. Senator.

That Jack would talk to me about?

Mr. Griffin.

That he did not, Jack didn't talk to you about everything he did?

Mr. Senator.

Jack lived in the show business type. This is his life. He lived in the glamour of the show. business.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you feel that Jack talked to you about everything that he was doing?

Mr. Senator.

Who can answer that? How could I answer that? How could I really answer that and know?

Mr. Griffin.

Well, sometimes you associate with a person and you know he is the kind of person who doesn't go out and talk about everything he is doing, in fact that he is the kind of person who is reticent to talk about some of the things he is doing.

Mr. Senator.

I would say Jack was the type that would not hold back to my knowledge, that would hide anything. I don't think he would hide anything from me. I can't say positive but I don't think he would.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, he didn't discuss his relationships in the Vegas Club or in the Carousel Club with you.

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

To any extent, did he?

Mr. Senator.

Look, his money pars he isn't going to detail to me how much he is taking in and things of that nature or who he owes or what he don't owe. I mean I wasn't confided in that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he talk to you about any of the problems he was having at the club?

Mr. Senator.

He had problems, you know, he had problems with his sister because they were of the same nature. They were cat and dog fighters.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he having any problems with the Federal Government?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I assume he was. What they were I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Then it is----