Mr. Hubert.

and you added them up and came to about three quarters of an hour; wasn't that your mental processes rather than a wild guess?

Mr. Senator.

No, no, no. You asked me a question and I said I would have to guess it. You know it is really amazing to put hours together. Mind you, 5 months have elapsed already, and to try to put these hours together you have got to fluctuate. How can you be sure?

Mr. Hubert.

That is true, but----

Mr. Senator.

You have got to fluctuate. It is strictly all guess work.

Mr. Hubert.

That is true, but your attention was directed specifically to these time lapses, not 5 months ago, but on that very day.

Mr. Senator.

They were all guess work, they were all supposedly. I had to give guess works.

Mr. Hubert.

What you are saying now is that the times that you estimated then were guess works even on that very day as to the times on that very day ? You were examined, weren't you?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

About 3, 4, or 5 o'clock in the evening?

Mr. Senator.

And I have always said I would have to guess the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Even as to that day you would have to guess the time?

Mr. Senator.

That Sunday?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I always have to guess.

Mr. Hubert.

On Sunday you said you had to guess the time as to the earlier part of the day?

Mr. Senator.

I had to guess the time Saturday, I had to guess the time Sunday when he woke me up. I was only guessing it was around 3 o'clock in the morning.

Mr. Hubert.

You see the reason why I am bringing that to your attention is that you stated a moment ago that it is difficult for you to recall these things after 5 months. But I was inviting your attention to the fact that your memory had been directed to these intervals of time for the first time not today, but on that very day, and your answer to me is that even on that day you were guessing as to the intervals of the earlier part of the day; is that correct?

Mr. Senator.

Of times?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Of times.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a fair statement?

Mr. Senator.

If a man doesn't see a clock, or doesn't see a watch, what else can he do? What else can you go by?

Mr. Hubert.

All I am saying is that even on the 24th when the police and the FBI asked you about these segments of time on that same day, your statement to us is that even then you were largely guessing?

Mr. Senator.

I would have to guess the approximate times. If you can tell me if you don't see a clock or a watch, how do you tell?

Mr. Hubert.

You might be able to tell by remembering what TV program was going on at the time. Do you, at any particular time?

Mr. Senator.

At that time I believe it was something about the late President, but I don't just recall what it was, but I believe it was----

Mr. Hubert.

Practically everything that day was. You don't remember any specific part?

Mr. Senator.

I don't; no. I don't remember any specific part.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack look at it, too? I think you said he did. Did he make a particular comment as to a particular part then being shown?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was the last time you saw Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me get this straight. Were you awake, did you wake up on Sunday morning before Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Sunday morning? Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have an actual recollection of that, or are you stating this because it was almost always your practice that you did wake up before Jack?