(Testimony of Ralph Paul)
Mr. Hubert.
What about his own crying, could you tell that he was crying, did he seem to be crying?
Mr. Paul.
No; he wasn't crying then when he spoke to me.
Mr. Hubert.
He wasn't crying then--in other words, what he was telling you was that he and his sister had been crying? Mr. PAUL. Had been crying.
Mr. Hubert.
Was that all he wanted to tell you?
Mr. Paul.
That's all.
Mr. Hubert.
And you in effect told him you were sick and not to bother You any more, would that be about it?
Mr. Paul.
And I went to sleep and that's the last I talked to him.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, when was your next contact with Jack?
Mr. Paul.
When he was in jail.
Mr. Hubert.
When did you hear about the Oswald matter?
Mr. Paul.
Sunday morning--I was--I had just finished making out the payroll.
Mr. Hubert.
At the Bull Pen?
Mr. Paul.
Yes; when John Jackson, my manager, called and the girl answered the phone and she says--he says, "Oswald is shot."
Mr. Hubert.
He said that to you?
Mr. Paul.
To the girl, and the girl relayed it to me. Just, "Oswald was shot," so I looked up and I says, "So what?" I mean--just the regular coincidence. "So what?" 5 minutes later a fellow that lived around the corner that knew me---he used to work at the Sky Club years ago, named Howard something, came in and says, "Jack Ruby shot Oswald."
Mr. Hubert.
That was in the Bull Pen at Arlington?
Mr. Paul.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
What was that man's name?
Mr. Paul.
Howard something.
Mr. Hubert.
That's his first name?
Mr. Paul.
Howard is his first name I can't think of the second name---he's just a customer there--- he used to work a long time ago at the Sky Club--I think he was--he used to be their cabinet man there, so I says, "Go away." I says, "Wait, I'll call the house." So, I called the house and nobody answered.
Mr. Hubert.
You called Jack's house?
Mr. Paul.
Yes; I called Jack's house and nobody answered, so Jackson and his wife came in and said, "Yes, we Just saw it on TV that Jack Ruby shot Oswald." So, I says, "All right"--that's when I called Tom Howard.
Mr. Hubert.
About what time was it you called Howard, do you know?
Mr. Paul.
I would say it was about in between 11:30 and 12 o'clock.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, between 10 minutes or 15 minutes after the shooting, to 30 to 40 minutes after the shooting?
Mr. Paul.
Well, you know--shooting--we didn't think he killed him.
Mr. Hubert.
Yes; I understand.
Mr. Paul.
So, I says, "Tom," well Tom has been my lawyer for the longest time.
Mr. Hubert.
He has been your lawyer?
Mr. Paul.
Yes; and Jack's too.
Mr. Hubert.
Jack's too?
Mr. Paul.
Yes; and I says, "Tom, see what you could do for Jack. I heard he shot Oswald." He says, "Okay," and that's it.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he indicate to you that he was not aware that Oswald had been shot?
Mr. Paul.
I don't know whether he did or not.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he indicate to you when you talked to him that he was not aware that Ruby had shot him?
Mr. Paul.
No; I just told him.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he seem to be surprised?
Mr. Paul.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he say anything to indicate he knew about it?
Mr. Paul.
No; he didn't. He says, "Okay, I'll take care of it." Those are the words he said.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, you asked him to see what he could do and
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