Mr. Jenner.

And this first stage of taking him for a ride, the salesman drives the car rather than the customer?

Mr. Pizzo.

That's the way it should be.

Mr. Jenner.

And if the normal procedure were followed here, the prospect would have been taken for a ride by Mr. Bogard? Mr. PIZZO. If it was followed, but according to----

Mr. Jenner.

Well, if it were followed?

Mr. Pizzo.

If it was followed--he drives the customer to a point and lets the customer drive it back. But the only way to demonstrate an automobile is that. You drive it and demonstrate it as you are driving it.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, since you weren't present at this point we are relying on normal procedures.

Mr. Pizzo.

Right, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And a remark made by Mr. Bogard that the customer. whoever he was, had been taken for a demonstration ride by Bogard?

Mr. Pizzo.

By Bogard.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, have you now stated everything that occurred that particular day, occurred or said to you on that particular day?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes; I can't remember anything else.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, was there a subsequent incident or something that occurred with 'respect to the incident you have now related, is there a second stage of this?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes; after the assassination.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, when after the assassination?

Mr. Pizzo.

The same day---within, oh, 4 or 5 o'clock or something like that.

Mr. Jenner.

Of the---late in the day on the 22d of November?

Mr. Pizzo.

When this man was captured, and the name announced over the radio, the possible suspect, or the suspect's name was announced on the radio, we had all radios on in the showroom.

Mr. Jenner.

You had your radios and television on?

Mr. Pizzo.

No; just radios.

Mr. Jenner.

Just radio?

Mr. Pizzo.

Well, we had the television set up in the Continental Department that we were all watching.

Mr. Jenner.

And when you say "all," does that include Mr. Bogard?

Mr. Pizzo.

That includes Mr. Bogard.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, relate what happened--you were all sitting around looking at the television, were you?

Mr. Pizzo.

I wasn't--I was standing around listening to the radio. We were all in just different groups---this is a mighty big showroom, Downtown Lincoln-Mercury, it is 350 feet long, and we were sitting around listening to the news and also doing the work that had to be done, and when the suspect's name was announced, I was standing right in the middle of the showroom floor and----

Mr. Jenner.

This is this great big showroom--the 350-foot long showroom?

Mr. Pizzo.

Yes; but right in front of my office is where-the group was standing, because that's a front door and there are three front doors, but this is the first front door, and we were standing right there. Of course, all of us were looking out at the underpass, which we are right under, the triple underpass there.

Mr. Jenner.

Near the area of the assassination scene?

Mr. Pizzo.

That's right, sir; we are on this side the Oak Cliff side of the bridge, and, of course, we were all standing at the big windows looking at that area and listening to the radio and a remark was made, "Well," now, I didn't hear this. It was told to me just a few minutes later.

Mr. Jenner.

By whom?

Mr. Pizzo.

By some salesman there and I just can't remember which one it was. I think we had around 15 or 16 salesmen there at the time. We weren't all standing around, but someone made the remark that, "Al Bogard lost his prospect."

Mr. Jenner.

You overheard that?

Mr. Pizzo.

I overheard that. I said, "What do you mean?" They said, "Well--" he pulled out a card, his own business card like this [indicating].