Mr. Jenner.

Are you a native of Dallas?

Mr. Graef.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Just tell me in a few words something about yourself?

Mr. Graef.

Oh, golly--I was born in Chicago, Ill.

Mr. Jenner.

So was I.

Mr. Graef.

I went to Lane Tech.

Mr. Jenner.

I went to Lindblom High School, and that's where I practiced law and have done for 30 years.

Mr. Graef.

Well, I haven't been back there for quite some time. I left there about 1940, after graduating from high school, took commercial art at Lane Tech, and I went down to Tennessee and worked at the Kingsport Press designing book covers and also the Holston ordnance works, and during the very beginning of the war, this was the last--the Second World War--then I was

drafted into the service and served as an airborne engineer for 3 years.

Mr. Jenner.

In the Army?

Mr. Graef.

Yes; I spent 2 years overseas and came back to Kingsport, Tenn., and then the wife and I decided to head west, and while I was away, she had written various chambers of commerce around the country and the Dallas Chamber of Commerce did the best job, so we decided to take a short vacation here and see if I could find work, which I did, and which we did and I did, and this was in 1946, so we have been here ever since.

Mr. Jenner.

You were each native born Americans?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct.
And honorably discharged--period.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, this man is employed---carry on.

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he regular in his arrival at work?

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Were his work habits in that connection satisfactory?

Mr. Graef.

Yes. I would say he was very punctual in his arrival to work. He began working under me and I began the process of teaching him how to use our equipment.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Now, he worked directly with you or under you or under your supervision and direction?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct--that's correct. He was with me a great part of the time. Of course, there are various times when I couldn't be with him, but for the better part of the first 3 or 4 months of his employment--he worked for us approximately 6 months.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us what you taught him and how you attempted to train him and in what, and give me also, when you are doing that, his skills and aptitudes, as you recall them at the beginning?

Mr. Graef.

Well, as I have explained, the most we hope for in a person is that perhaps any past skills they have will help them in learning our work, but basically our work is so different that there is no experienced help, and everyone who comes into the department is automatically a trainee.

Mr. Jenner.

And he fell into that category?

Mr. Graef.

That's correct. All our cameras are different from the ordinary cameras you find in commercial printing shops or printing establishments.

Mr. Jenner.

Are these portable cameras or fixed cameras?

Mr. Graef.

No, fixed cameras--dark room cameras.

Mr. Jenner.

When I used the expression "fixed," I had in my own mind that they would be these large-size cameras, fixed in the sense that they would be adjacent to a wall or a bench or a table.

Mr. Graef.

Or the floor?

Mr. Jenner.

Or the floor.

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And be so heavy as not to be portable or so firmly secured as not to be removable?

Mr. Graef.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you indicate their size?

Mr. Graef.

I would say approximately 8 feet long total length, with 6 or 7 feet of the front of the camera projecting through a wall, which on the outside of