Mr. Glover.

Political or otherwise. Well, business, he belongs to the Petroleum Club. He talks about being down there. And I don't know of any other organizations.

Mr. Jenner.

Well----

Mr. Glover.

Well, cystic fibrosis, they are very active in that, because of his son.

Mr. Jenner.

That is a charity organization?

Mr. Glover.

A charity organization. And they were very active in this, because the wife, although it was not her son involved, was very, very active in that and went from door to door collecting, trying to get money for this purpose. I don't know of any other organizations. I remember one time being invited to some kind of charity program over at the--I don't know how to call it any more, but there is a center for retarded children over in the Cedar Springs area, which it seems that a Mexican-American organization was sponsoring, and he invited me to go to that. I don't know if they were members or not. I think that was sort of a Mexican-American, I am not sure.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever have the impression they ever belonged to any political organizations?

Mr. Glover.

No; I did not have any impression that he belonged to any.

Mr. Jenner.

Did they express what their politics were? That is, say, as between being Republican or Democrat?

Mr. Glover.

I don't recall anything very strong on that subject.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you, during your time here in Dallas, become acquainted with Marina and Lee Oswald?

Mr. Glover.

I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you state when it was that you first became acquainted with either or both of them.

Mr. Glover.

I am not able to give a specific time. I met Marina first at the home of George De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, give me the circumstances and when that occurred and what led up to it, and what you knew in advance before the meeting was held, about that? That is, whether this came all of a sudden without any advance notice, or whether there had been some discussion with the De Mohrenschildts prior to that time. Just tell me the whole circumstances leading up to the moment you met Marina.

Mr. Glover.

I am not able to state a specific time, but of course it was somewhere, I am not really able to say whether it was sometime in December, or in January, or sometime in that time, or in the first part.

Mr. Jenner.

What year?

Mr. Glover.

This would be the year 1962-63.

Mr. Jenner.

Now would you fix it with respect to when your wife and you separated. Was that in December of 1962, did you say?

Mr. Glover.

No, we separated before September 1, 1962. I am not able to say when she (Marina) came to the De Mohrenschildts. Marina came to the De Mohrenschildts several times. The first time I met her and subsequent times, she was also there.

Mr. Jenner.

Had there been--has there been any conversation about the Oswalds with you or in your presence prior to the time that you met Marina?

Mr. Glover.

Well, I am not sure about this, but I would think, yes; they had mentioned her.

Mr. Jenner.

The De Mohrenschildts had mentioned her?

Mr. Glover.

Had mentioned her and her husband and their situation, but I really do not know a hundred percent that they mentioned it before I came over there. I rather think they mentioned she was coming there previous to my meeting her.

Mr. Jenner.

What did they say about her in advance of the meeting?

Mr. Glover.

Well, they told about, this is as far as I remember, that they told about her coming over here with Oswald and, as far as I remember the impression I got from De Mohrenschildt--it might not have been entirely from him, it may have come later--Oswald had gone to Russia to live and had become a citizen. That is the impression I got. And that he had decided he didn't like Russia and he came back here and brought his Russian-born wife with him,