Mr. Jenner.

Yes; you are right.

Mrs. Cunningham.

"HPC" for my initials, and a "B" with a circle in it.

Mr. Jenner.

Meaning what?

Mrs. Cunningham.

I'm sorry--I'm not certain as to why that "B" was recorded there. We do use or did use, an A, B, C, D, E, F, for the kinds of problem and it could have been that, but I am unsure of what that entry means.

Mr. Jenner.

a. What were your A-B-C problems?

Mrs. Cunningham.

This gentleman is going to ask me to remember the Whole manual this Afternoon.
"A" is little or no work experience, and entry into the labor force basically, with no vocational choice.
"B" is an entry into the labor force or relatively so, or re-entry with a questionable choice.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean questionable choice in what sense?

Mrs. Cunningham.

That the applicant says, "I want to be a lawyer," and you say, "Are you ready, what training do you have, what is the indication?"

Mr. Jenner.

Your questionable choice, therefore, is a question on your part as to his capability to attain that which he desires?

Mrs. Cunningham.

Which is an expressed desire, but you see, sir, I do not have my basic counseling record among these papers and this is part of the reason that I am uncertain here. If I had the comparable and complete record, I could better answer the present question.

Mr. Jenner.

What is your best recollection?

Mrs. Cunningham.

I have no definite recollection of what the boy asked for, as far as an occupation is concerned.

Mr. Jenner.

He wanted work immediately, you were also attempting to determine what he was seeking ultimately and your judgment of his capabilities to accomplish that which he sought ultimately; am I correct?

Mrs. Cunningham.

Yes--but I again remind you that I did not attempt with Oswald the full counseling service, because I placed emphasis on the immediate with him.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that's important to me.

Mrs. Cunningham.

Yes, I'm sure it is.

Mr. Jenner.

What is "C"?

Mrs. Cunningham.

"C" is expressed change of occupation for a variety of reasons.

Mr. Jenner.

A desire to change whatever occupation he had been pursuing?

Mrs. Cunningham.

And in that case it is presumed that the person is fully qualified in an occupation from his work experience.

Mr. Jenner.

If a counselor reached the conclusion that he was not qualified or needed further training or you had any question about it as to the other occupation or the change of occupation the applicant desired, would you then classify him under "B" rather than "C"?

Mrs. Cunningham.

No, sir; because as a counselor, I am applicant-and- individual oriented, and I guess as a counselor also, I work under the philosophy that the individual has some choices of his own and the best that I can do is give him information, use what tools and what knowledge I have gotten out of training and experience to help him to make the best choices, but the decisions basically are the applicant's.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you say there was a "D" classification?

Mrs. Cunningham.

Yes; there is a "D".

Mr. Jenner.

What is that?

Mrs. Cunningham.

I'm sorry, I cannot bring it to mind at the moment.
There is an "E" and an "F" and a "G".
The "F" is emotional problems, which were not apparent in this young man to me in the few times that I saw him. He was well contained, well spoken, and did not give any information, as I recall, except what I referred to.
As I see his mother on television, this interviewee seems to me, and I have to use that verb, that there is a certain same kind of firmness in the individual there, and certain capabilities there, and to use words well.

Mr. Jenner.

On the part of Mrs. Marguerite Oswald?

Mrs. Cunningham.

Yes, sir.